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[22:02] (jesszabelle-tsh): -=Today's Topic: Basic Skills Test: kajirae, what skills do you have or would you cultivate to better please a Master? Masters, what skills do You have or would You like to cultivate to be a better Master? Masters and kajirae, what skills would you suggest to either? Everyone's input is encouraged, new and experienced alike!=-

[22:05] ({alyria}Gareth): A good start is learning to make a perfect cup of strong coffee.
[22:06] ({alyria}Gareth): and to develop a little imagination and an open mind for things that other people might not completely understand, if that skill or activity is pleasing.
[22:06] (FilkusNM): A slave serving me a good strong morning coffee goes miles to happy and productive Master.
[22:07] ({alyria}Gareth): the ability to be pleasing, or not displeasing immediately on awakening in the morning is another good one
[22:07] (kimber): sucking cock without teeth is a useful skill.
[22:07] (FilkusNM): Yah.
[22:07] ({alyria}Gareth): being able to not say anything that is demanding a response or is an unplesant item of business for the first half hour someone is awake--well, that's a skill in any relationship.
[22:07] (EdumakatedRedneK): Nods... thats what I need a slave with denturs.
[22:08] (kimber): but, really, one Master's trash is another's treasure. . . and vice versa. . . so it's about being as well-rounded as one can be, then tailoring to the one who owns you.
[22:08] (kimber): eww
[22:11] (EdumakatedRedneK): For myself the one think I would like to have more of is inner still ness.
[22:12] ({alyria}Gareth): that inner stillness is something Many wise Ones seek
[22:13] (EdumakatedRedneK): at work it makes a difference between drawing a building 5 times before its right or 2 times.
[22:14] ({alyria}Gareth): should Your slave seek to learn those things to promote an environment in which meditation or concentration can occur?
[22:14] (EdumakatedRedneK): it would depend if there are kids around lol.
[22:15] (FilkusNM): Yes Ed, I have said that sometimes, slower is faster.
[22:15] ({alyria}Gareth): i guess i was thinking things such as not playing loud music or clanging things in the kitchen at the wrong time.
[22:20] ({alyria}Gareth): wench has many skills in all aspects of service--she's a dynamic multidimensional slut
[22:21] ({alyria}Gareth): she also cooks, cleans, and googles
[22:21] (FilkusNM): The two things put together is what makes magic.
[22:21] (EdumakatedRedneK): have you found Ms Dewey?
[22:21] (wenchW): lol...thanks, alyria...but i also have many areas i'd like to improve...
[22:22] ({alyria}Gareth): would you be the same wench if you got smug and decided that you were the ultimate pleasing machine and didn't strive to refine/develop what you have?
[22:23] ({alyria}Gareth): some of my skills are not what everybody would even think of, and some are not particularly "feminine"
[22:24] (EdumakatedRedneK): can you clean fish... to me that is sexy.
[22:24] (wenchW): lol...well, Master would NEVER let me believe it even if it were possibly true
[22:24] (wenchW): havent done it since i was a teen, Master Ed, but i bet i could!
[22:24] ({alyria}Gareth): yes, Master, as a matter of fact, alyria can clean fish
[22:25] (EdumakatedRedneK): lol....
[22:25] (Malkcontent): My answer to the topic is that I need to cultivate more patience and to continue to work on my people skills.
[22:25] ({alyria}Gareth): she has an old fork in the tacklebox for descaling, as the descalers aren't that effective.
[22:26] (FilkusNM): I need more persistence in acheiving goals.
[22:26] (EdumakatedRedneK): need to slow down more.
[22:26] (EdumakatedRedneK): and patience with interuptions and politics.
[22:27] * FilkusNM worries of meeting Ed, as he intterupts and loves politics...lol
[22:27] (EdumakatedRedneK): no I mean we went from me and bro and a secratery two 6 employees.
[22:28] ({alyria}Gareth): it sounds like growth, and new responsibilities, Master Ed.
[22:28] (EdumakatedRedneK): talk about .... solve my problems... I really try not to smile like a shark I really do.
[22:28] (EdumakatedRedneK): I really want to encourage them to :take chances and make a decision for themsleves.
[22:29] (EdumakatedRedneK): I would not handle a slave well who like asked permission to go to the bathroom or asked for a detailed list of what to get at the store.
[22:29] ({alyria}Gareth): i had a boss who would handle indecisiveness by saying: "You are as prepared as you will ever be--Do the right thing, even the wrong, just do SOME-thing!"
[22:30] (EdumakatedRedneK): I am going to steal that alyria.
[22:30] ({alyria}Gareth): You are welcome to use it, Master. He would probably like that.
[22:31] (EdumakatedRedneK): some masters may want to micro manage a slave but would slaves like to be micromanaged?
[22:31] ({alyria}Gareth): i can be polite about being micromanaged and tolerate it, but i do not accomplish nearly as much or flourish under micromanagement.
[22:31] (FilkusNM): Some slaves seem to crave lots of structure more than others.
[22:32] (wenchW): i am not sure if i would even tolerate it
[22:32] (EdumakatedRedneK): good for you wenchW
[22:32] ({alyria}Gareth): micromanagement does not equal structure. micromanagement can be disjointed
[22:33] ({alyria}Gareth): and some middlemanagementmentality types mistake micromanagement for structure and spend their time doing that instead of the real job.
[22:34] (Malkcontent): I'm not sure that micromanaging a person is a good way to do things
[22:34] (EdumakatedRedneK): The best boss I ever had... just made sure we had the tools we liked that could do the job and left us alone.
[22:34] (wenchW): went to a demo...first the Master asked His girl to bring a glass of water to Him...she did...then He had her do it again telling her every step of doing it...the latter took FOREVER and was painful to watch
[22:34] ({alyria}Gareth): my old Boss would sometimes just leave and "get out of people's way so they can work"
[22:35] (EdumakatedRedneK): I would left... thats just stupid.
[22:36] * {alyria}Gareth looks to wench's example above and laughs
[22:36] ({alyria}Gareth): i once did a newsletter and the position was advertised as a volunteer telecommuting deal that would take a half an hour a week.
[22:36] (EdumakatedRedneK): ok so that comes back to trust... trusting a job will be accomplished...
[22:37] (FilkusNM): My slave, kat, does help me with keeping focus. I have requested she do.
[22:37] ({alyria}Gareth): the guy would stand over my shoulder and dictate every freakin' keystroke, and didn't want telecommuting, and it took five hours--3 to wait around after the appointment time and 2 to do the work.
[22:37] (EdumakatedRedneK): cool beans Filkus
[22:37] * {alyria}Gareth laughs.
[22:37] ({alyria}Gareth): the first time, i thought it was just he was making sure i knew what to do.
[22:37] ({alyria}Gareth): the second time, i told him to back off or get someone else.
[22:37] (wenchW): sheez, alyria
[22:37] ({alyria}Gareth): the third time, i walked.
[22:38] * EdumakatedRedneK wondering if said boss needed a proctologist to pull the printer out of his anus
[22:39] ({alyria}Gareth): the sad thing was that it was a cool newsletter and it would have been a perfect volunteer gig if it were as advertised.
[22:39] (EdumakatedRedneK): jess what do you want to do to improve yourself.
[22:39] (FilkusNM): Micromanage a volunteer...agh!
[22:39] (FilkusNM): Stupid stupid stupid
[22:40] ({alyria}Gareth): the ambitious ideas he had couldn't happen because he kept pissing off volunteers and benefactors
[22:43] (wenchW): oh, thats one thing i do like...Master picking an outfit if we are going out someplace
[22:44] (EdumakatedRedneK): not touching that one wench...
[22:44] ({alyria}Gareth): my late spouse used to call on Fridays and leave a message saying simply "Road Trip," and i was expected to get straight home as early as possible and he would have my bag packed and in the car and we would go--i wouldn't know exactly where until we were more or less there.
[22:44] (EdumakatedRedneK): thats fun to do.
[22:44] ({alyria}Gareth): It was fun and all that, but it was also annoying when critical items were not packed--like SHOES.
[22:45] (wenchW): i even got metalflake blue nailpolish at Master's request...He wanted me to wear it cause He was thinking of it for a color for a motorcycle...lol...didnt make sense to me, but i did it
[22:45] (FilkusNM): Then in a fit of responsibility, he needs to provide footwear.
[22:45] (EdumakatedRedneK): well thats what walmart is for.
[22:46] ({alyria}Gareth): once only part of an outfit was packed and i wound up wearing a swimsuit under a skirt and jacket
[22:47] (EdumakatedRedneK): plus arent all Troo Gor slave supposed to be barefoot and neekid lol... jk
[22:48] (FilkusNM): mmmm nice outfit.
[22:48] ({alyria}Gareth): not in public, as it's a pita to be bailing us out of jail.
[22:49] (EdumakatedRedneK): well hers something that happened with a slave of mine a while ago.
[22:50] (EdumakatedRedneK): came home from work and found out our company was bankrupt (our first company)
[22:50] (EdumakatedRedneK): zenny looked at my face. and got the boys packed and me packed... and asked me to drive us to Tenkiller.
[22:50] (FilkusNM): How?
[22:50] (EdumakatedRedneK): it was fantastic.
[22:50] (jesszabelle-tsh): Masters, what skills do You suggest girls learn to better please You? girls, what skills do You suggest Masters cultivate to be the best Masters They can be or enjoy Themselves more?
[22:51] (EdumakatedRedneK): well.... lets just say there was some creative accounting.
[22:51] (EdumakatedRedneK): and it was our first try at it...
[22:51] (EdumakatedRedneK): plus we had just been through a lawsuit (family stuff) so ... it happened.
[22:51] (EdumakatedRedneK): but she did it in such a way that.
[22:52] (EdumakatedRedneK): 1 it was service
[22:52] (EdumakatedRedneK): 2 healed me
[22:52] (wenchW): what's Tenkiller?
[22:52] (EdumakatedRedneK): a lake in eastern oklahoma... has a country store with a 20lb squirrel...
[22:52] (EdumakatedRedneK): when I saw that squirrel knew iwas going to be ok.
[22:52] ({alyria}Gareth): i believe that good communication would be the biggie to develop. Direct, responsible, true communication.
[22:53] (EdumakatedRedneK): but she presented like it was my idea even though I did not say a word.
[22:53] (EdumakatedRedneK): it was amazing possibly the best service I ever had.
[22:54] ({alyria}Gareth): did the trip there give You the inspiration and respite needed to bounce back from a setback?
[22:54] (EdumakatedRedneK): yup.
[22:54] (EdumakatedRedneK): on the way back se was driving and I was dominating her... stop reading girl! (she would drive and read)
[22:54] (wenchW): that is a wonderful example of real service to me
[22:55] ({alyria}Gareth): that's beyond mere skill--the flexbility and insight to be there at the right time with the right thing to help.
[22:55] (EdumakatedRedneK): yup... to bad my oldest and her hated each other.
[22:55] (EdumakatedRedneK): yup.
[22:55] ({alyria}Gareth): stepparenting is a whole 'nuther world for most folks.
[22:56] (EdumakatedRedneK): that is what I want in a slave hell I dont think thats a slave but a companion I dont know for sure but it is beyond slavery I think.
[22:56] (FilkusNM): slave and companion seems to fit well in a Gorean model, does it not?
[22:57] (EdumakatedRedneK): yup.
[22:57] (FilkusNM): That is what I seek anyway.
[22:57] ({alyria}Gareth): There is that quote about how in every woman exists both the FW seeking Her companion and the slave seeking her Master.
[22:57] (jesszabelle-tsh): Zedojehn: Any skill a person has trouble with or lacks should be cultivated to the best of their abilities, you only fail by not trying
[22:58] (wenchW): think the best compliment Master ever paid me is that along with or separate from being His slave i am His best friend....
[22:58] (EdumakatedRedneK): and failing while working at it is not the same as failing in my eyes.
[22:59] ({alyria}Gareth): Would it be fair to say that a Master, like a competent Boss, should be able to provide effective feedback--BOTH encouragement/inspiration and correction?
[22:59] (EdumakatedRedneK): wanna know something werid.
[23:01] (EdumakatedRedneK): The most masterful... if that what you call it
[23:01] (EdumakatedRedneK): was with my first sub... she worked for the IRS in Texas and Oklahoma
[23:01] (EdumakatedRedneK): she blew threw her with a cold.
[23:01] (EdumakatedRedneK): I got her to call in sick stayed home and
[23:02] (EdumakatedRedneK): make soup for her and just took care of her and that night lightly tied her wrist together and held her all night long
[23:02] (EdumakatedRedneK): they next day she was better.
[23:02] (EdumakatedRedneK): odd that huh. she went on to her appt.
[23:11] * {alyria}Gareth heard jess' comments on journals
[23:12] ({alyria}Gareth): perhaps Masters should learn to appreciate what a girl puts in her journal and to gear some of what is done in her best interest.
[23:13] ({alyria}Gareth): there was a point where i journaled profilifically--in bound books.
[23:15] (NazjamRa): hmmm journals
[23:15] (NazjamRa): not My cup of tea
[23:16] ({alyria}Gareth): i quit writing journals--at least journals that go to my Master.
[23:16] (kaimi): lol...
[23:16] (kaimi): that is something Master never made kaimi do...journals
[23:17] ({alyria}Gareth): they can serve a purpose
[23:17] ({alyria}Gareth): and they can provide insight
[23:17] ({alyria}Gareth): it is also possible to reach a point of diminishing returns on journaling
[23:18] (Filkus-lurking): Does not everything you produce become available to your Master if he requests, alyria?
[23:20] ({alyria}Gareth): if He were to request it, yes.
[23:23] (kaimi): if kaimi wrote journals...they would be very very boring
[23:25] ({alyria}Gareth): i keep several journals--for different things in life, one of which outlines business i am handling.
[23:25] (EdumakatedRedneK): not to your master, not if you put what you really felt and what you thought your master wanted to hear.
[23:26] (kaimi): i would write about what went on in my daily life..and my thoughts of it...lol...Master and i discuss these things daily ..so writing them would be rather redundant
[23:27] (EdumakatedRedneK): ahhh but kaimi... it helps one think about the day even your converstions with your Master
[23:27] (EdumakatedRedneK): and that inturn would give you insights.
[23:27] (wenchW): Zedojehn: I used to have mine do journals but did away with it in favour of having them speak what they would write anyway, good or bad.. writing can say what you want it to.. body language says what you really mean
[23:27] * kaimi smiles
[23:27] ({alyria}Gareth): i think that a good ten word summary rating the day as a diamond or a stone might be the way to go.
[23:28] (kaimi): one could say that...hahaha, how i spent the day not killing my kids
[23:29] (EdumakatedRedneK): ahhh how does a wise man know if his kids are lieing?
[23:30] ({alyria}Gareth): i had these bound books that pages could not easily be removed from, and would keep basically a chrono journal.
[23:30] (kaimi): don't know...i know just by looking at them...
[23:30] * wenchW looks to alyria who thought a certain girl might be able to handle wearing a sirik
[23:30] (EdumakatedRedneK): there mouths are moving ... if you have teenagers you understand
[23:30] (EdumakatedRedneK): what is a sirik?
[23:31] (kaimi): oh...its a beautiful piece of jewelry
[23:31] * kaimi grins
[23:31] ({alyria}Gareth): and didn't you do quite well with it? just imagine the Man a the store when i was looking for stuff asking what it was for.
[23:31] (EdumakatedRedneK): sorta like a nipple ring?
[23:31] (wenchW): chains from each wrist and ankle joined to a center chain
[23:31] (EdumakatedRedneK): nice.
[23:31] (kaimi): depending from the collar
[23:32] (kaimi): is beautiful
[23:32] (wenchW): they can be used for bondage or dancing...mine was for dancing of course...
[23:32] (kaimi): Master likes kaimi's siriks
[23:32] (EdumakatedRedneK): but I think light chains would be better than heaving... make it hard to get coffee.
[23:32] (kaimi): especially when kaimi dances for him
[23:32] (wenchW): yes, they are generally light...
[23:32] ({alyria}Gareth): i used polished nickel chain--the whole thing weighed just under l.5 pounds.
[23:33] (wenchW): Master had me dance at a Gathering after just one lesson in exotic dancing without it...lol
[23:33] ({alyria}Gareth): it wasn't wussy like cheesy stuff in a dime store and it wasn't overpowering in size but WAS real chain.
[23:33] (kaimi): kaimi has lightweight stainless steel and some pretty brass ones
[23:33] * EdumakatedRedneK hmmm now wondering if on Gor they think suspension is air dancing
[23:33] (kaimi): oh...some talents go without saying
[23:33] (wenchW): lol
[23:33] ({alyria}Gareth): i'd beef up the jumprings for suspension
[23:33] * {alyria}Gareth laughs
[23:33] * kaimi licks lips and waggles eyebrows winks
[23:34] ({alyria}Gareth): i cheated and used steel keyrings for jumprings for strength and malleability.
[23:34] (EdumakatedRedneK): Heck if yoru in the SCA I bet one of the armours could make you some
[23:34] (kaimi): i got my chains from the hardware store...you would be surprised at some of the pretty chains they have
[23:35] (wenchW): that sort of goes along with the discussion last night on accepting complements...i got a lot of them tht night, but Master hasnt encouraged me to do it again, so i dont know what to think
[23:35] ({alyria}Gareth): i got mine at a trading post that specializes in leather, and the chain was that stuff bikers use for their wallets.
[23:35] (kaimi): cool...
[23:35] ({alyria}Gareth): and i had left extra lengh on it, which Master Wicken cut down to the best size for His
[23:36] (wenchW): lol...and you got all kinds of strange looks when you were measuring it, alyria
[23:36] (EdumakatedRedneK): wenchW hes a man... he is sorta happy and jealous I should guess... he saw that others saw you as he sees you and well... is a miser lol
[23:36] (kaimi): i also have some beautiful copper chain...but, there is a bit of a challenge when it comes to the fact that copper turns the skin green and needs to be polished constantly
[23:36] ({alyria}Gareth): i declined assistance and said it was for a sculpture
[23:36] (wenchW): could be, Master Ed ~blushes~
[23:36] * {alyria}Gareth laughs--wench is a piece of art
[23:36] (EdumakatedRedneK): and whats is wrong with green skinned slave girls.
[23:36] ({alyria}Gareth): can you coat copper with something to prevent that?
[23:37] * kaimi just get her chains in 12 foot lengths for good measure...hehehe
[23:37] (jesszabelle-tsh): wench, can you surprise Him this weekend wearing the sirik when you bring Him His coffee?
[23:37] (EdumakatedRedneK): my first memory of tv was kirk kissing the green girl.
[23:37] (wenchW): just as long as i'm not like Venus with the missing arm, or something
[23:37] ({alyria}Gareth): there is a story on that--they did several takes and edits because the tech guys in the back kept correcting "out" the green
[23:37] (kaimi): in the states, only a water based coating..which wipes off if you ummm sweat
[23:37] * wenchW drags jess to PM with that idea
[23:37] ({alyria}Gareth): so they got her ridiculously green
[23:37] (EdumakatedRedneK): and thats a bad thing?
[23:38] (EdumakatedRedneK): I mean I wonder now what color her nipples would be... if not pink then what color
[23:38] (EdumakatedRedneK): blue?
[23:38] (kaimi): loved that song
[23:38] (kaimi): hahaha
[23:38] (EdumakatedRedneK): a question for the ages
[23:38] (kaimi): pink nipples?
[23:38] (kaimi): dang
[23:39] (EdumakatedRedneK): no real alien green skinned slave girls.
[23:39] (EdumakatedRedneK): now would there nipples be blue or yellow?
[23:39] (wenchW): i was in this musical...Damn Yankees
[23:39] ({alyria}Gareth): on a sad note, Yvonne De Carlo died--i was looking up her filmography and she was in a movie in 1947 titled "Slave Girl" and did quite a few movies where she danced in exotic costumes
[23:39] (kaimi): were you lola?
[23:39] * kaimi giggles
[23:39] * EdumakatedRedneK pats wenchs hand they alll are
[23:40] (wenchW): lol...i REALLY wanted to be
[23:40] (wenchW): lol...thanks, Master
[23:40] * kaimi dances and sings
[23:40] (kaimi): whatever lola wants lola gets ..and little man, little lola wants you
[23:40] (EdumakatedRedneK): your welcome... capital gains tax thanks to them.
[23:40] (wenchW): i will NOT ask if He's referring to the ball team, or northerners in general!
[23:41] (EdumakatedRedneK): nope Senator Kenedy in the 70 and 80s oil boom.
[23:42] (EdumakatedRedneK): passed the capital gains tax also called the Windfall profits tax
[23:42] (EdumakatedRedneK): and then would not pass the lobster sharing program that the senators from texas and oklahoma proposed.
[23:42] (wenchW): lol
[23:42] (EdumakatedRedneK): it true.
[23:43] (EdumakatedRedneK): thats the werid and sad part.
[23:44] (Iskander): Now Playing: Queen - Bicycle Race
[23:46] ({alyria}Gareth): jess, we are all working on skills to better ourselves whether we do so consciously or not.
[23:47] (EdumakatedRedneK): so what skill does a slave look for in a master?
[23:47] (kaimi): the ability to Master himself first and foremost
[23:48] (jesszabelle-tsh): self-control. responsibility. humour. intelligence. whimsy.
[23:48] (jesszabelle-tsh): those are qualities, though.
[23:48] (jesszabelle-tsh): hm.
[23:48] ({alyria}Gareth): to communicate clearly and with honesty
[23:49] (kaimi): yes, that's a good one alyria
[23:49] ({alyria}Gareth): aren't "qualities" one thing and manifesting those qualities a set of "skills"
[23:49] ({alyria}Gareth): speaking honestly would be manifesting the quality of being honest
[23:50] (EdumakatedRedneK): ok do you really want to hear the answer to the question "does this make me look fat?:
[23:50] (jesszabelle-tsh): the ability to laugh, even at Himself.
[23:50] ({alyria}Gareth): effective use of a calendar and a wristwatch would be skills needed to manifest the quality of punctuality

[23:53] ({alyria}Gareth): is a slave allowed to say that "follow-through" is a valued skill in ANYONE, Master, slave, innocent bystander, whatever.

[23:55] ({alyria}Gareth): is "follow-through" a "quality" or a "skill" or a "habit" or a "way of life?"
[23:55] (wenchW): i never divulged what areas i need improvement on, but thats a biggie for me
[23:56] (wenchW): combonation of those?
[23:56] (NazjamRa): woohoo I'm alone with kajira's
[23:59] (wenchW): ...and they all go silent...lol
[23:59] * {alyria}Gareth laughs
[23:59] ({alyria}Gareth): i hope we are not scary
[00:01] ({alyria}Gareth): i have a problem with haivng tasks that cannot be done in one sitting, and getting the next step--sometimes involving someone else's effort--and then promptly getting the job done
[00:01] ({alyria}Gareth): and it's a hassle without everyone involved being able to follow through.
[00:02] * {alyria}Gareth makes up a neutral example from the mundane life
[00:03] ({alyria}Gareth): if my kid wants to wear a particular outfit on a particular day--staying out late wearing that outfit doesn't help if i'm expected to have it clean and pressed early the next day.
[00:04] ({alyria}Gareth): or if you are doing a report and waiting on someone else's report and they are masters of brinksmanship and violating deadlines

[00:07] (jesszabelle-tsh): when i'm having mood problems, i'm one of those.
[00:08] ({alyria}Gareth): i do, too, and i have little systems to overcome it
[00:09] * {alyria}Gareth laughs
[00:10] ({alyria}Gareth): it sucks when one doesn't feel in the mood to deal with a mood
[00:10] (jesszabelle-tsh): aw man, yeah. like most of the last several days. today was the first day i could face.
[00:11] (NazjamRa): I am not looking forward to this weekend
[00:11] (jesszabelle-tsh): work? or something even more heinous?
[00:11] ({alyria}Gareth): what is this weekend's problem?
[00:11] (NazjamRa): work
[00:11] (NazjamRa): both jobs
[00:11] * jesszabelle-tsh nods.