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[20:03] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[20:04] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> http://www.iusd.org/curriculum/ethics/index.htm
[20:04] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Lm_U9yEP0
[20:04] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> http://www.natural-fat-loss.com/CHIVALRIC_CODE.pdf
[20:04] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> http://www.natural-fat-loss.com/The_Code_of_Bushido.pdf
[20:04] <aaminah{S}c> brave Man
[20:05] <LadyGlory> very breave man
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[20:05] <LadyGlory> brave too
[20:05] <Sa`ng-Fori^> can we first define ethics?
[20:06] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Sure
[20:06] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> What do you think the definition is?
[20:06] <Warlok2> greetings slaves
[20:07] <aaminah{S}c> Bushido.........way of the warrior
[20:07] <aaminah{S}c> yes Master?
[20:07] <LadyGlory> I feel its a natrual respect of others in how we speake and act and soo much more it could be the balance of peace in any situation
[20:07] <Malkcontent> I think that Ethics are important in all aspects of life
[20:08] <LadyGlory> lol
[20:08] <Malus> did he leave?
[20:08] <aaminah{S}c> now that's a sound i love
[20:08] <LadyGlory> bick took off
[20:08] <Malus> lol
[20:08] <LadyGlory> bike
[20:08] <Gareth_H> Ethics are those aspects or codes by which One lives his life in a consistent and coherent manner
[20:08] <Gareth_H> consistent with who and what He is
[20:09] <Malkcontent> without ethics, we wouldn't be who we are
[20:09] <Malus> what if his codes arent that good
[20:09] <Gareth_H> and based on fundementals which allow for a solid bedrock on which One can build a philosophy
[20:11] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Without a set of codes to live ones life by, a set of ethical values, what becomes important?
[20:11] <Gareth_H> end of definition...as I see it :)
[20:12] <thalia{S`K}> i dont think anything would be important
[20:12] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> I presented the Codes of Chivalry and Bushido because those are the codes I personally live my life by
[20:13] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> All too often I think that people have relied on families to instill in their children ethical values and this hasn't happened
[20:13] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Which has lead to the present me first...I don't care about you sorts of attitudes that we see
[20:14] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[20:14] <Gareth_H> the natural consequence of post modern materialism I would say
[20:14] <Gareth_H> and considerable proof that not all change is progress
[20:14] <Sa`ng-Fori^> or Grandparents raising the grandkids
[20:15] <captainamerica> Ethics have mostly gone the way of most all other logic in this day and age.
[20:15] <Malkcontent> to answer the third question: I think that Ethics should be taught from parent to child, and learned from one's respected elders.
[20:15] <captainamerica> Basically forced to give way to the faulty notion of "relativism"
[20:15] <aaminah{S}c> let's face it, parent aren't teaching ethic because they are not leading by example
[20:15] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> There has been a major disconnect in the familial units and it has fallen I think to the schools to teach kids some sort of ethical values
[20:15] <Gareth_H> adherence to a sound ethical code....requires character...and presently..failures in character are medicated
[20:15] <LadyGlory> I work in retail so many times the way ethics is taught in the familys is shown when a family go shopping. You can tell when a parent expect there children to bahave that because there with them there lineds up around the carrages and also there not running amuck making a mess everywhere and expecting others to clean up after them
[20:16] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Unfortunatly the schools teaching ethical behavior causes problems for those of us who wish to teach our own.
[20:16] <captainamerica> well the problem is the schools do not really teach it Sa`ng
[20:16] <Sa`ng-Fori^> the school tells them that their ethics are more important than Mine.
[20:16] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> That is part of why I gave the first website
[20:16] <captainamerica> *nods* or yes...they teach them that.
[20:17] <captainamerica> which goes back to the whole relativism.
[20:17] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> It gives an idea of the sorts of ethihcs many schools are looking at teaching
[20:17] <captainamerica> Truth is relative...what is true for you, is not true for me...ect
[20:17] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I have run head long into school administrators who thought what I wanted My children taught wasn't important
[20:17] <captainamerica> Parents need to stop expecting the school to do the teaching of things like ethics.
[20:17] <captainamerica> Raise your kids.
[20:17] <LadyGlory> I dont feel its the scoold place to teach it that parents should be held accountable for there children
[20:17] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I don't either
[20:17] <Gareth_H> ahh well on that....schools ought rather to teach how to think...rather than what to think
[20:18] <captainamerica> break out the cattle prods and switches.
[20:18] <aaminah{S}c> i agree Master CA, hence the statement i made before
[20:18] <captainamerica> *nods to aaminah*
[20:18] <LadyGlory> If my daughter acts up even now that shes an adult she has me to answer to
[20:18] <aaminah{S}c> or god whatever works for you
[20:18] <LadyGlory> and thats not gonna be pritty
[20:18] <kardelan{S-F}> yes i told a school principal that as long as i was legally, financially and morally responsible i would make the decisions, if he would like to get in on the decision making i could expect his child support check on the first??? idiot
[20:18] <captainamerica> crucify the unethical...and the stupid...
[20:19] <Sa`ng-Fori^> In tulsa the ethic that is taught, is that money is a God, and it don't matter how You get it
[20:19] <captainamerica> *builds the pyres for when he takes office*
[20:19] <Sa`ng-Fori^> notice I didn't say earn it
[20:19] * Malus watches CA as he dooms the whole USA lol
[20:19] <Gareth_H> there is no need to crucify the unethical...they will in the end...crucify themselves
[20:19] <captainamerica> that takes too long Gareth.
[20:19] <captainamerica> *makes picket signs*
[20:20] <Malus> :>
[20:20] <captainamerica> oh on that point....and along the "ethics" and responsiblity lines
[20:20] <Gareth_H> One cannot break a natural law....one can break onesself against it
[20:20] <captainamerica> what is it with people protesting every damn thing.
[20:20] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I think that is what disturbs Me the most, the lack of work ethics in this current generation
[20:20] <captainamerica> sitting in and rioting and such.
[20:20] <captainamerica> whatever happened to "write your damn congressman"?
[20:20] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> In part schools are doing this I think because in many cases parents have abdicated their responsibilities
[20:20] <captainamerica> or at least vote...or just know his/her friggin name?
[20:20] <kardelan{S-F}> might work if he wasnt under indictment
[20:20] <kardelan{S-F}> lol
[20:20] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Oh they have Shadow`Knight
[20:21] <kardelan{S-F}> im a child of the 60s ...im sorry..i personall think we should be storming the white house ..but hey..perspective i gues lol
[20:21] <Gareth_H> Parents are encouraged to abdicate that responsibility
[20:21] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> In part because as a teacher I will spend more time with many kids than their parents will
[20:21] <Sa`ng-Fori^> why dirty Your hands, why be a parent when You can be their "buddy"
[20:21] <Gareth_H> if the children misbehave...it must be tiem for the medication
[20:21] <captainamerica> it is sad when you hire for a company and part of the "entrance" process is a test with questions like..."If you see $20 lying unaccounted for from a register do you keep it?"
[20:21] <aaminah{S}c> cause the congressmen send you a really nice form letter and then file 13 what you wrote them , they don't represent the poeple any more
[20:21] <Sa`ng-Fori^> agreed Gareth
[20:22] <Malkcontent> schools are doing this because the parents have grown to fear any reprecussions that may arise form the parents actually disciplining their children
[20:22] <captainamerica> yes but the people dont use them either aaminah. that is the problem.
[20:22] <captainamerica> Special Interest groups would not be so horrid a presence if people went to their representative rather than lobbying with whatever gaggle of morons wants to fire bomb the latest labs.
[20:22] <aaminah{S}c> i can't tell you how many times i've written my congressmen, senator and i have seen no changes that i voiced about
[20:22] <Sa`ng-Fori^> technically that is easy captainamerica. Buisness practice says the draw should never be over or under. Only solution by buisness standards, stick it in Your pocket
[20:23] <wenchW> i liked the powerpoint slide that talked about the diff between core ethics and value systems....the latter is personal
[20:23] <captainamerica> lol true Sa`ng
[20:23] <LadyGlory> I had a lady ticked off at me this morning cause I told her she needed to step back alittle she didnt see the point I was making she was in my space I have sissors in my hand trying to measure fabric and cut and she was breating down my neck but god forbid I tell her she needs to move so I dont elbow her
[20:23] <Gareth_H> what do I know..when I was in school...I could be paddled :)
[20:23] <Malkcontent> personally, I think that doctor spock guy screwed a couple of generations by telling parents that it's bad to spank children
[20:23] <captainamerica> jsut stab her.
[20:23] <captainamerica> then make sure you sue her first
[20:23] <Sa`ng-Fori^> hmmm
[20:23] <Gareth_H> fact is...though...My Father..refused permission.....He said He would take care of it :)
[20:23] <captainamerica> she caused such emotional distress that you freaked out and went temporarily insane
[20:23] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Gareth it wasn't could for Me, it was GOT paddled
[20:23] <Sa`ng-Fori^> lol
[20:23] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Mine too
[20:24] <Sa`ng-Fori^> It depends on the child Malk
[20:24] <Sa`ng-Fori^> our nephew has never been spanked, and He is a wonderful child
[20:24] <Gareth_H> But I do object to the idea....that everyone can be medicated to fit a mold
[20:24] <Sa`ng-Fori^> or I should say, Young Man
[20:24] <Malkcontent> I agree with you Sa`ng; but too many parents took that to an extreme
[20:24] <Sa`ng-Fori^> OH I agree
[20:24] <Malkcontent> hence a lot of the undisciplined kids we have now
[20:25] <Sa`ng-Fori^> My son, that was the only way You could get His attention
[20:25] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Too many go to extremes each way
[20:25] <captainamerica> and how is it that for near 6,000 years humanity is fine...suddenly EVERYONE needs to be prescribed meds?
[20:25] <Malkcontent> true SK
[20:25] <captainamerica> can't live without Ridalin
[20:25] <Gareth_H> to be disciplined...one must have a firm foundation on which to build their life....We call this ethics
[20:25] <Warlok2> thats because the schools get money for every child they have on meds
[20:25] <captainamerica> look at me look at me...got ADD...
[20:25] <Gareth_H> when a child learns..that He can live according to a code
[20:26] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[20:26] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I just don't know how I made it through My first 12 years of school without medication
[20:26] <Gareth_H> and that He can decide to do whats right
[20:26] <Gareth_H> He learns the value of discipline
[20:26] * kardelan{S-F} snickers..no meds or no legal meds Master
[20:26] <captainamerica> disciplne? GAH *runs*
[20:26] <Malkcontent> but who's code should a child learn?
[20:26] <Malus> thats the key Gareth..he can decide to do whats right
[20:26] <captainamerica> not discipline.
[20:26] <Sa`ng-Fori^> those of the parents
[20:26] <aaminah{S}c> that of their tribe Master Malk
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[20:26] <aaminah{S}c> be it parents, guardians...........
[20:27] <Malus> so regardless what background they have theres hope for them
[20:27] <Gareth_H> Well....in fear of starting a fuss.....I believe that there are essential principles that We inherently know are right
[20:27] <Malkcontent> I teach My kids My set of ethics, and My ex wife tells them that I am literally the devil
[20:27] <Malkcontent> so, who's the bad one?
[20:27] <aaminah{S}c> You are kidding?
[20:27] <captainamerica> ok ...going back to my radio show for a bit...join you folks again in a few. *runs and listens*
[20:27] <Malus> exactly Gareth
[20:27] <Gareth_H> We can debate around the edges...but I do believe there are things that are always so
[20:27] <Sa`ng-Fori^> beats what My kids called Me Malkcontent
[20:27] <Malus> we know whats right/wrong
[20:27] <Gareth_H> To wit..Its always wrong to lie
[20:28] <captainamerica> oh and yes..Gareth. I also believe in absolute morality
[20:28] <Malkcontent> lol, Sa`ng
[20:28] <captainamerica> and absolute truth.
[20:29] <aaminah{S}c> sorry to hear that Master Malk, my kids dad has a tendency to trash me, cuase i don't live like he thinks i should live
[20:29] <Malkcontent> I can sympathise aaminah
[20:29] <Gareth_H> Well...as to that aaminah....one thing that one must do...slave or Free..is to live as they are...
[20:30] <aaminah{S}c> it will come back to bite him in the arse
[20:30] <Gareth_H> and not as someone else would wish them to be
[20:30] <Sa`ng-Fori^> usually
[20:30] <Malkcontent> My final thought on that is that My ex can say whatever she wants, when the kids are older, they'll see what I taught them, and how she acts, and make up their minds
[20:30] <aaminah{S}c> indeed Master Gareth
[20:30] <Gareth_H> if one cannot be true to onesself..One cannot be true to anyone or anything
[20:30] <Sa`ng-Fori^> and that is what they will do Malkcontent
[20:30] <aaminah{S}c> that's exactly how i feel Master Malk
[20:30] <aaminah{S}c> and i have faith in that
[20:31] <Malkcontent> as you should
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[20:33] <Malkcontent> I think we all agree that ethics are sorely lacking in society right now. so My question, how can we fix this?
[20:33] <Warlok2> one child at a time
[20:33] <captainamerica> stop taking a backseat on the issue.
[20:33] <captainamerica> we have this screwed up idea that we have to let the minority voice run things in order to be "properly heard"
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[20:34] <wenchW> may i give one example?
[20:34] <kardelan{S-F}> there are some good kids out there and some very responsible parents...i see lots of both..the idiots stick in your mind..but i see a lot of kids that do a lot of good things
[20:34] * Iskander sets mode: +v feylin
[20:34] <aaminah{S}c> mentoring, teaching by example........
[20:34] <Sa`ng-Fori^> of course wench
[20:34] <Malkcontent> I teach My own children My ethics, and I do what I can with the kids on My bus; but I wonder if that is enough
[20:34] <Sa`ng-Fori^> greetings feylin
[20:34] <captainamerica> speak out. demand that there is such a thing as absolute moral right
[20:34] <captainamerica> and wrong
[20:34] <Malkcontent> greetings feylin
[20:34] <aaminah{S}c> greetings feylin
[20:34] <captainamerica> beat your kids *smirks ruefully*
[20:34] <Warlok2> greetings feylin
[20:34] * Telka-Fooding is now known as Telka
[20:34] <Warlok2> Tal Telka
[20:34] <feylin> Greetings, Master Gareth, Master Sa`ng-Fori^, Master Shadow`Knight, Master Warlok, Master CaptainAmerica, Master Malk, and Master Malus.
[20:35] <aaminah{S}c> welcome back Mistress
[20:35] <Telka> greetings to all that entered while I was gone :)
[20:35] <Telka> hello Warlok how are you?
[20:35] <captainamerica> greetings fey and any others
[20:35] <feylin> Greetings, Mistresses.
[20:35] <Warlok2> am doing well, how are you?
[20:35] <feylin> Greetings, aaminah, aurea, kardelan, and wench.
[20:35] * feylin smiles
[20:35] <Malus> greetings feylin
[20:35] <Telka> Im tiired but I am well thanks
[20:35] <captainamerica> oh...and get ourselves real education and wisdom rather than swaying along with all the other campus coffee house revolutionaries, moronic plebs, and wanna bes that never will
[20:36] <wenchW> there was a year that my neighborhood put up with trucks going by for months while they replaced ALL the dirt in a school playground...when it was done they let the kids out for half a day to take homemade thank you cards for everyone around
[20:36] <wenchW> i wrote a letter to the editor to the local paper saying how great that was...the ethics it was teaching...
[20:37] <wenchW> one good action encouraging another
[20:37] * Malus is now known as Malus-brb
[20:37] <aaminah{S}c> now that was nice
[20:37] <captainamerica> I must say I am encrouaged by the numbers on here that believe in ethics. Most I would not have pegged as the type.
[20:37] <captainamerica> very nice.
[20:37] <Malkcontent> lol, CA
[20:38] <captainamerica> no its true.
[20:38] <captainamerica> lol wasnt trying to be funny Malk. *grins*
[20:38] * Malkcontent wonders which list CA pegged Him for
[20:38] <aaminah{S}c> hehe
[20:38] <LadyGlory> it bad to not know the answer
[20:38] <captainamerica> just that a number of those who typically espouse loose ethics in other discussions are apparently hardliners about this subject.
[20:38] <captainamerica> heh
[20:38] <Gareth_H> Indeed..I wondered that....most often...people grow tired of hearing Me talk about Honor
[20:38] <Telka> hm. your top journal entry reminds me of some quote I read once feylin.. "what is to give light, must endure burning"
[20:39] <Telka> so since I cant get back far enough.. whats the disccusion?
[20:39] <Telka> discussion even
[20:39] <Gareth_H> and wench....such a letter..is a good reminder to those that read at least...of the value of actions
[20:39] <Warlok2> how could we live by the codes and phylosophies and not have any ethics? seems that would be very shallow if at all possible.
[20:39] <Malkcontent> Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[20:39] <Gareth_H> even symbolic ones....a thank you letter..is a symbol....of the value of good efforts
[20:39] <captainamerica> well most dont live by the cods and philosophies Warlock
[20:39] <feylin> what just off the top of my head, Mistress, probably some love angst gone wild.
[20:40] <captainamerica> they just claim to because it sounds like high, chest thumping talk.
[20:40] <wenchW> it was a small action, but it really impressed me that the school and the kids were caring more about themselves
[20:40] <Malus-brb> hell most that say they do dont practice what they preach
[20:41] <Malus-brb> that was to CA :>
[20:41] <Telka> well to this I have always wondered.. who figures out who's ethics are wrong or right? for instance.. people of my generation.. "Generation X" are said to have absolutely no respect, no manners, etc. by older generations, for instance, like my parents. But among My generation, our mannerisms make total sense? so how would all that factor in?
[20:42] <Gareth_H> I would rather have someone striving to acheive an ideal..and falling short..that to have them believe that there is no value in the ideal
[20:42] <Malkcontent> well said
[20:42] <kardelan{S-F}> well, having had to employ a number of X generation guys...a few social skills would have helped
[20:42] <kardelan{S-F}> lol
[20:42] <captainamerica> the fact that your mannerisms make sense does not make them good manners
[20:42] <Malus-brb> true Gareth
[20:42] <captainamerica> I think we forget this.
[20:42] <Gareth_H> and what is popular...is not at all always right
[20:42] <Malus-brb> but one knows when hes doing wrong
[20:43] <captainamerica> sort going back to the previous discussion on the practice of "Gorean" philosphoies
[20:43] <Gareth_H> I am sure that for Nazi's genocide made perfect sense
[20:43] <captainamerica> 8nods*
[20:43] <Malus-brb> if he doesnt attempt to change it i have a prob with it
[20:43] <captainamerica> made sense...and maybe was justifiable by them.
[20:43] <captainamerica> does not make it moral or ethical though.
[20:43] <Malus-brb> noboby is perfect though
[20:43] <Telka> I personally dont forget and try to be polite.. but I know what feels right to me. but by law of society.. just because I see something as polite. if you all saw it as being rude.. who would be more in the right, generally in our society, its the majority, at least most of the time:P
[20:43] <Gareth_H> and yet..was still in My mind..objectively wrong :)
[20:43] <captainamerica> stealing a loaf of bread because I am starving makes sense and I can justify it, but it is still theft
[20:43] <captainamerica> and wrong...even if I feel it necessary
[20:43] <Malus-brb> right
[20:44] <Gareth_H> and still wrong...and in the end..does more harm to the thief than to the victim
[20:44] <Malus-brb> using ppl is wrong
[20:44] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Telka there are some things that are considered polite, for thousands of generations
[20:44] <Malus-brb> being insincere
[20:44] <Malus-brb> we know whats right and wrong
[20:44] <captainamerica> and in our society yes...generally the majority rules.
[20:44] <Warlok2> the schools here do SK
[20:44] <Gareth_H> and there is value in truths...that has transcended generations
[20:44] <kardelan{S-F}> well i know that all three major universities in tulsa..OSU, OU and TU are giving table manner classes..so someone is not teaching their kids on a big level how to sit at the table and not look like a hog sloppin
[20:44] <Gareth_H> or have rather
[20:45] <captainamerica> though that is in question now, as most legislation is passed in courts because the "few" know they cannot do it at the ballot box.
[20:45] <captainamerica> Another problem I have with our judicial system.
[20:45] <LadyGlory> if the ethics dont work then the firm hand on the bottom mite but just one firm wack to wake them up
[20:45] <Telka> Im well aware of that, but at the same time, I find myself constantly questioning why? because with me I loathe the answer.. well thats just the way it is.. its like the average person cannot even tell you why they support whatever it is.. I will never understand that blindness that is inherent in society but thats just me I gues lol
[20:45] <feylin> i agree, kardelan, but so many people do not sit down to dinner together anymore..
[20:45] <Warlok2> This family does everynight
[20:45] <feylin> kids learn by what they see...somewhat what they are told, but what they see.
[20:45] <kardelan{S-F}> yep..backseat of the SUV with a spork
[20:46] <Sa`ng-Fori^> The why Telka is simple.
[20:46] <kardelan{S-F}> lol
[20:46] <LadyGlory> my family did lol sorry right here in the den at the computers
[20:46] <Malkcontent> social learning is a powerful tool in teaching
[20:46] <Gareth_H> when We say ...thats just the way it is....We abdicate responsibility
[20:46] <feylin> lol...spork knowledge is valuable.
[20:46] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I expect people to treat Me as I would treat them
[20:46] <Gareth_H> all things...all actions are choices
[20:46] <Telka> lol yeah I hear that feylin. I got the oddest looks from my roomies when one of the rules I put in place for when I cook is that we all turn off the videogames/computers/whatever and have a meal TOGETHER
[20:46] <Sa`ng-Fori^> that is a good thing Telka
[20:47] <Telka> it almost caused a fight but I diffused it :P
[20:47] <captainamerica> and lets face it, in most cases the issue is us shirking our duties.
[20:47] <captainamerica> If we were "raising" our 12 yr old daughers they would not be on myspace with the creepy 45 yr old that will be on Dateline next Monday night
[20:47] <captainamerica> heh
[20:47] <kardelan{S-F}> i keep trying to figger out why these homes have these huge kitchens..hell they dont cook, its fast food and whoever sits and eats there..they eat in the car???
[20:47] <captainamerica> brb
[20:47] <feylin> i had the dinner thing until i was a teenager, then it was everybody for themselves for many years..when i went to college and moved in with my Uncle..dinner every night at six...it was antsy at first..dinner/discussion...didn't i have to be somewhere? After i left, i missed it..the connection.
[20:47] <kardelan{S-F}> waste of space
[20:48] * Sa`ng-Fori^ is NOT in the shirking crowd
[20:48] <Telka> well yeah. people as a whole.. not speaking of any one in particular just "them" and "they" are all about getting the farthest with the least bit of effort.. as opposd tos ay the 50's where it was.. ok.. you put fort THIS work and you can have THAT.. now its just gimme gimme gimme, what can I do toskate by and still be successful .. its kinda sad really.
[20:48] <LadyGlory> my work makes dinner so hard
[20:48] <Sa`ng-Fori^> yes it is Telka
[20:48] <Sa`ng-Fori^> why so Glory?
[20:49] <LadyGlory> I work evenings and the rest are at home to fend for thenselves I would love to be home making dinner for everyone everynight
[20:49] <aaminah{S}c> indeed Mistress Telka
[20:49] <Sa`ng-Fori^> make dinner before You go
[20:49] <Sa`ng-Fori^> that is what I did
[20:49] <LadyGlory> its not the same
[20:49] <Warlok2> it still means something
[20:49] <Sa`ng-Fori^> and we had a lot of picnics at moms work
[20:50] <kardelan{S-F}> lol
[20:50] <kardelan{S-F}> in the mall
[20:50] <Sa`ng-Fori^> yep
[20:50] <Gareth_H> the first step to any solution is the will
[20:50] <LadyGlory> I have tried to get the family to come to my work and eat
[20:50] <Gareth_H> finding the will..you will find the way
[20:50] <feylin> i do think it makes a difference.
[20:50] <kardelan{S-F}> we caused quite the talk as we had dinner all together in the middle of the mall...Master would bring dinner and the kids...but we sat down and ate as a family
[20:51] <LadyGlory> smiles I would love that
[20:51] <Malkcontent> part of the problem, I think, is society's current attitude of "it's not my fault that (insert bad thing here) happened"
[20:51] <kardelan{S-F}> i was the boss then..i worked long long hours
[20:51] <Sa`ng-Fori^> it was important to the kids and Myself
[20:51] <kardelan{S-F}> yeah its never cuz they are lazy twits that should have been drown at age two
[20:51] <Gareth_H> If I were king.....I would remove the word cant from the dictionary
[20:51] <kardelan{S-F}> lol
[20:51] <Telka> aye and most lack even that these days.. I mean heck. I have told good friends some of the things I endured growing up and they were like.. wow Id prolly kill myself or bein an instituion or something.. and I was just like.. nah.. you use it to develop willpower and you simply say.. "this is what Im going to do" and then.. you DO it. its that simple. but yet it seems to elude at least half the world.. cause inevitably, the lazy person will s
[20:51] <Gareth_H> that and I have to
[20:52] <Telka> you and me both Gareth LOL
[20:52] <Gareth_H> the only thing I will ever have to do...is eventually assume room temperature
[20:52] <Telka> can't, but, won't.. all those need to go..
[20:52] <aaminah{S}c> permission to be excused for a bit Masters?
[20:52] <Malkcontent> be well aaminah
[20:52] <Gareth_H> When We talk about ethics and codes...We talk about how We choose to live our lives
[20:53] <Telka> be well aaminah
[20:53] <Gareth_H> when We choose wisely..We choose to live a life in harmony with our best nature
[20:53] <kardelan{S-F}> and in the end thats all you can really do..you can preach them or teach them to others..but they will make a choice of their own
[20:53] <aaminah{S}c> thank You Master Malk
[20:53] <Gareth_H> if we choose to do otherwise.....We choose to do ourselves harm
[20:53] <kardelan{S-F}> you cannot change how others behave..only yourself
[20:53] <Telka> aye indeed, Gareth, kardelen
[20:53] <Malkcontent> I think part of the solution is to somehow get society to start owning their actions again. "it's MY fault that MY kid misbehaves because I didn't teach them..."
[20:53] * aaminah{S}c is now known as aaminah{S}c-afk
[20:54] <Telka> right Malk. not "OH its that HORRID show they watched on TV that... I let them.. I mean that they watched!"
[20:54] <Warlok2> Malk parents want to believe their perfect so that their kids are perfect and can do no wrong
[20:54] <Malkcontent> and video games are NOT responsible for ppl's violent behavior
[20:55] <Telka> nope. but the parents that ignore the ratings and dont pay attention to what their kids are learning are :P
[20:55] <kardelan{S-F}> unless you had kids like mine and you didnt say they couldnt have done that..you say..what did he do now LOL
[20:55] <Malkcontent> lol
[20:55] <Malkcontent> once in a while, I get a perent who tells Me that "my little angel would not possibly missbehave on the school bus"
[20:56] <captainamerica> *back*
[20:56] <Sa`ng-Fori^> future cheer leader
[20:56] * kardelan{S-F} laughs..oh yeah suuuuure...lol
[20:56] <Gareth_H> Children....are by nature...learning right and wrong....the best things to do....so they will screw up....someone has to tell them when they did
[20:56] <Malkcontent> My answer is "your 'little angel' is the one who picked that fight, and thus got beat up"
[20:56] <LadyGlory> ture Malkcontent again me working in retail I see this way to often parents are offended when you ask that there kids get undercontrol for example aking a parent to not let there child bounce a ball in the store. "Its not safe for those around them nor them selves If you think about that youll never bounce a ball in doors again
[20:56] <Malkcontent> Welcome Back CA
[20:56] <kardelan{S-F}> i never expected my kids to be perfect...but i did expect the accept the responsibility for changing the behavior of my kids lol
[20:56] <captainamerica> that Malk is when you answer "Then it must also be a figmemnt of imagination that your little angel is walking to school tomorrow...see ya "
[20:57] <captainamerica> heh...if only you could.
[20:57] <Gareth_H> the arrogance of Man is that...We now say...they cant help it..they need to be medicated
[20:57] <Telka> it was like once I worked at a movie theater.. and shrek came out.. rated PG which generally means nowadays anyway. your kid is under about 10.. ya prolly should stick to "G" rated.. well this woman brings her 7 y/o.. and then comes out demanding her money back.. screaming and ranting and raving and so on and I pointed out the fact.. well maam you took your child into a movie that was rated PG which is generally acceptable for 9-13 years old
[20:57] <Sa`ng-Fori^> yes they would think He was rude becuase He didn't think their little angel was wonderful
[20:57] <LadyGlory> the parent is mad and instead of telling the child in a manner that shows them its not safe they make the sales person look like a bully
[20:57] <Gareth_H> what this teaches the young is...you are not responsible for what you choose to do...take a pill
[20:58] <kardelan{S-F}> oh i love it when mom comes to the salon for a three hour hair marathon and brings a small child..lemme see..we have hot curling irons...scissors, razors, dangerous chemicals..and they arent locked up...and they are within reach
[20:58] <Telka> so she goes on and on and on and on.. and finally I had to get my boss.. well I quiet working there shortly after.. and a year later, when shrek 2 came out.. I saw the SAME woman with the same kid trying to pull it again. I Naerly died laughing.
[20:58] <kardelan{S-F}> cuz..THIS IS A WORK PLACE..not a playground for your kid
[20:58] <LadyGlory> sooo ture kardelan{S-F}
[20:58] <captainamerica> boil the kid and eat it
[20:58] <kardelan{S-F}> im sorry..if the brat drinks nail polish remover..tough
[20:58] <captainamerica> *nods sagely*
[20:58] <Warlok2> this last quarter at school Jay brought home a report with all A's and B's and one F in spanish he got the F for not participating in class. That night I told him I was going to talk to his teacher about comming to class with him to get him to participate but for some reason he has found new reason to do so himself.
[20:58] <kardelan{S-F}> DUH
[20:58] <Telka> oh yeah Gareth the pill popper age.. mutters.. everyone has add or ADHD quick medicate them! and then the parents use that as an excuse for EVERYTHING I hate that
[20:59] <kardelan{S-F}> you think we are going to lock up our tools so YOUR kid can be safe..thats no our job
[20:59] <LadyGlory> should of taught that child its poisen right kardelan{S-F}
[20:59] <Gareth_H> flaws in character....are not diseases
[20:59] <captainamerica> your kid is hyperactive?
[20:59] <captainamerica> Make him/her run laps
[20:59] <Telka> exactly Gareth and Captain lol
[20:59] <kardelan{S-F}> how about there are some place children are not welcome and if you cant find a sitter..DONT COME
[20:59] <captainamerica> they can run around the house 40 laps and THEN do their math work
[20:59] <kardelan{S-F}> lol
[20:59] <Gareth_H> flaws in character have to be overcome.....this can not be done by drugs
[20:59] <LadyGlory> this is way to much of a subject lol this gonna take awhile
[20:59] <Telka> but now kids having ENERGY oh what is this world ocming to ? *gasp and chuckles*
[21:00] <kardelan{S-F}> when i did booth rent we had a sign..if your children do not have an appt..do not bring them
[21:00] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I find that parents who get in My cab with children who can't behave themselves, only ride once.
[21:00] <kardelan{S-F}> we cannot watch a child and work..if i could have done that i wouldnt have had to pay a sitter to work
[21:00] <captainamerica> or as a great mentor once said to us "You s*it buckets are gonna be smart Marines...or you're gonna be strong ones. "
[21:00] <Telka> you heard that nonsense about them wanting to get rid of recess in elementary schools because it is not "necessary for the learning process" its like ok youre drugging up all these kids, and complaining that they are hyperactive.. and you think somehow removing the one vent they have to let out such hyperactivity is going to HELP this.. how?
[21:01] <Telka> hahahah Captain
[21:01] <Telka> nice
[21:01] <captainamerica> usually came right after some academic failure and right before spending the next 2 hrs getting punished
[21:01] * aaminah{S}c-afk is now known as aaminah{S}c
[21:01] <Malkcontent> welcome back aaminah
[21:01] <aaminah{S}c> thank You Master Malk
[21:02] <Warlok2> welcome back aaminah
[21:02] <captainamerica> ADD or not...move at attention and I'll crack this half broom handle over your shoulders....
[21:02] <captainamerica> hehehe
[21:02] <captainamerica> :)
[21:02] * aaminah{S}c flashes back to bootcamp
[21:02] <Gareth_H> wb aaminah
[21:02] <aaminah{S}c> thank You Masters
[21:03] <Sa`ng-Fori^> first of all kids don't need to start school at birth
[21:03] <captainamerica> I think personal responsibility and more importantly accountability are important.
[21:03] <Sa`ng-Fori^> seems to be the thing now
[21:03] <Gareth_H> We teach people...and not just children..that they have no control over their actions
[21:03] <captainamerica> If they dont want to be responsible, then hold them accoutnable
[21:03] <Malus-brb> wb aaminah
[21:03] <Sa`ng-Fori^> 5 is too young in My opinion
[21:03] * Malkcontent recalls His Drill Instructors, 3 of the meanest ppl He's ever met
[21:03] <Telka> yep.. heck I was staying with some friends who had a 3 y/o they let get away with EVERYTHING.. well I didnt find it too cute when she decorated my old flag corp flag from HS with a sharpie.. so I had her running up and down the stars, yelling out.. "I wont draw on anything but paper" .. her parents came home and flipped.. lol but it worked.
[21:03] <captainamerica> I started at 5
[21:03] <Gareth_H> when We do so...We must not be surprised when they do whatever strikes them at the moment
[21:03] <captainamerica> nothing wrong with it...but if you are going to be schooling a child then SCHOOL them
[21:03] <captainamerica> teach them.
[21:04] * Sa`ng-Fori^ remembers His Drill Instuctor, one of the shortest people HE ever met
[21:04] <Malkcontent> lol
[21:04] <captainamerica> shape and mold them into something worthwhile and something to be proud of.
[21:04] <Gareth_H> My TI had to look up to spit in My face yelling at Me
[21:04] <Sa`ng-Fori^> agreed captainamerica
[21:04] <Telka> nods nods
[21:04] <captainamerica> and yeah Sa`ng actually it was the short guy in our platoon that always made the "smart/strong" comment
[21:05] <captainamerica> serriously though, accountability is the key.
[21:05] <captainamerica> consequence is a mother.
[21:05] <aaminah{S}c> aye
[21:05] <kardelan{S-F}> now if we could jsut get that across to the guys we elect
[21:05] <kardelan{S-F}> siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
[21:05] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Unfortunatly the ethics that are being taught now are why many of the people in this country live in fear
[21:05] <Malkcontent> actually, My Drill instructors taught Me a lot
[21:06] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Me too
[21:06] <Sa`ng-Fori^> how to sleep with My eyes open
[21:06] <Gareth_H> I learned a great deal in military service...that is clear
[21:06] <captainamerica> doesnt matter what issues you may have. When you do not exert self discipline and your ADHD makes you twitch, thus drawing attention, and thus getting the guy next to you shot in the gord...*shrugs* you likely learn not to twitch when you are not supposed to
[21:06] <Gareth_H> not least of which the notions of duty and honor
[21:06] <Telka> ya know what I wonder too? is how did that happen. I mean in like what 30 years? we go from an age where it was just do this get that, to just NOTHING.. no accountability, respect, heck most people cant even be counted on to be honest anymore. you have to assume that peopl are just GOING to cheat you.. it really makes you wonder how that can happen in such a short time?? would you say its just the drugs of the 70'? or something more?
[21:07] <Sa`ng-Fori^> unfortunatly captainamerica most children taking medication for ADHD don't have it
[21:07] <captainamerica> they should give teachers cattle prods.
[21:07] <captainamerica> you tell your kid
[21:07] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Dr. Spock Telka had a lot to do with it
[21:07] <LadyGlory> thats aginst the law captainamerica lol
[21:07] <Sa`ng-Fori^> it shouldn't be
[21:07] <kardelan{S-F}> most of the school diagnosed ADHD is that no one ever said to sit donw and shut up to the kid
[21:07] <captainamerica> Disrupt my class again and I'll stun you. He disrupts and you shock the bejesus out of him...think he'll do it again?
[21:07] <kardelan{S-F}> hes never been made to behave so drug him
[21:07] <captainamerica> at least doubtful he does it in the same day
[21:07] <captainamerica> heh
[21:07] * Malus-brb is now known as Malus
[21:07] <Telka> LOL Captain Id truly hope not?
[21:08] <Telka> Spock?! aroo?
[21:08] <kardelan{S-F}> Greetings Master
[21:08] <LadyGlory> drugs dont build charcture
[21:08] <aaminah{S}c> greetings Master Dominux
[21:08] <captainamerica> obviously a rediculously extreame example (may favorites) but you see the point.
[21:08] <LadyGlory> how ever thats spelled
[21:08] <captainamerica> or as those military guys who posted above might recall the the phrase "Pain builds Muscle Memory"
[21:09] <Sa`ng-Fori^> ahhhh see
[21:09] <Malus> i was "made" to behave but it didnt take till i was older :>
[21:09] <Sa`ng-Fori^> the air force don't go in for the pain thing, we are thinkers
[21:09] <captainamerica> you get a twack of a broom handle on the knuckles each time your thumbs are not at your trouser seams you soon learn the proper position of attention.
[21:09] <captainamerica> heh.
[21:09] * aaminah{S}c coughs......um, i would be one of those military "guys" as well........
[21:09] <Sa`ng-Fori^> wrong weapons captainamerica
[21:09] <Malus> i still did what i wanted inspite of the azzwhippings
[21:09] <Sa`ng-Fori^> most women use wooden spoons
[21:09] <Malkcontent> I am a former Marine
[21:09] <Telka> lol now in today's military a DI did that, and the booter could SUE and likely win..
[21:10] <LadyGlory> lol Sa`ng-Fori^
[21:10] <kardelan{S-F}> when our son finished boot camp his Sgt asked him how he learned to be so respectful..his answer..my dad and mom
[21:10] * Gareth_H remains USAF retired
[21:10] <Malkcontent> wanna bet whether the DIs taught us some form of ethics?
[21:10] <LadyGlory> I use the bare hand
[21:10] * aaminah{S}c navy here, crypto tech
[21:10] <captainamerica> true Telka...thank Mothers of America for that one *wink*
[21:10] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Oh they do
[21:10] <Sa`ng-Fori^> it's the whole regulation thing.
[21:11] <LadyGlory> guess thats why I hurt my hand alot
[21:11] <Sa`ng-Fori^> content un-becoming for a <insert rank here>
[21:11] <Malus> this has turned into a PTA meeting of sorts lol
[21:11] <Sa`ng-Fori^> How so?
[21:11] <captainamerica> lol
[21:11] <Malus> alot of talk about the kids
[21:11] <Telka> blah.. ya know.. I started out in the Marines. I messed up my knee but the navy took me anyway.. altogether got in only 3 years before even with modifications I could no longer meet PT requirements.. well anyway.. when I cam over to the navy.. the standards for women plumetted so pathetically I was like what??! youd have girls CRYING at 12 pushups! it broke my brain.
[21:11] <captainamerica> PTAs....my next bone of contention *loosens his tie*
[21:11] <Malus> :>
[21:12] <Telka> uh oh. not the tie loosening!
[21:12] <Warlok2> PTA boards wouldn't know what to do with a room full of us
[21:12] <captainamerica> lol
[21:12] <Sa`ng-Fori^> sure Warlok, let Us run the show
[21:12] <Malus> right Warlok :.
[21:13] <LadyGlory> Malus if the kids behave it sortof tells you about the parent ask well
[21:13] <Telka> hahahah would be fun wouldnt it Warlok?
[21:13] <Telka> just pick a random school charge in.. and leave em all going wtf?!
[21:13] <LadyGlory> as
[21:13] <Dominux> what i know is that we convince our people that we hold the strongest military in the world and anywhere we go after WW 2 we come back defeated...
[21:13] <Malus> sure Glory
[21:13] <Sa`ng-Fori^> Failure to learn from the past, always induces failure in the future
[21:14] <Telka> well see thats where the US went wrong in my opinion. Sure we do have alot of the best technologies, weapons, economy etc.. but people forget that things can change.. and now when they do.. everyones like ack! what do we do now? were not invincible. they take it for granted we are.
[21:14] <Telka> kix last post to Dominux
[21:15] <captainamerica> I think the prison system is another place where morals can be enforced.
[21:15] <Malkcontent> Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[21:15] <Dominux> tha past was a great teacher but we lost the future by believing we are unbeatable just because we hold the title of the superpower.
[21:15] <Malus> how are you hannah
[21:15] <Telka> aye exactly Dominux
[21:15] <Telka> to what extent Captain?
[21:15] <Gareth_H> Honor requires that having made a commitment...One carries out that commitment
[21:15] <captainamerica> well Telk...for one. Make sentences just that.
[21:15] <captainamerica> you get life you stay for life
[21:15] <Malkcontent> be well aurea
[21:15] <captainamerica> 10 yrs...serve it.
[21:15] <hannah{BA}> i am ok Master Malus..thank you for asking
[21:15] <Dominux> we might be able to have the best airplane in the world but what to do it when a single bullet from a gun made 50 years ago can shoot it down while it s taking off???
[21:15] <feylin> Well wishes, aurea.
[21:16] <Telka> nods nods nods nods absolutely!
[21:16] <Malus> good
[21:16] <captainamerica> put them to productive work.
[21:16] <Gareth_H> part of what We have learned...and it relates to the children..is that...its not My fault
[21:16] <captainamerica> you want food? Better grow it.
[21:16] <Gareth_H> I dont need to do the hard work...
[21:16] <captainamerica> Want clothes? Learn to sew
[21:16] <Gareth_H> if its not easy...I dont want to do it
[21:16] * aurea{W} has quit IRC
[21:16] <Telka> none of this.. oh well he was a good boy.. here lets shorten that term. or.. hey hes got money we cant have him in jail! nods in agreement with the rest as wel.
[21:16] <captainamerica> want warmth? Build up the walls.
[21:16] <Gareth_H> that reflects a lack of discipline
[21:16] <Gareth_H> and a lack of believe in Ourselves
[21:16] <Dominux> they beat the shit out of us in Iraq because we cant understand that there are NO more wars the way they used to be (in open field and with huge armies confronting one another). todays wars are Partisans wars, guerillas wars
[21:16] <Gareth_H> and that...is the end of growth
[21:17] <captainamerica> Not a firm believer in the death penalty but if we were to keep it, then use it.
[21:17] <captainamerica> someone gets sentenced to die? Do it. be done with it.
[21:17] <captainamerica> move on.
[21:17] <Telka> aye and with these teen mothers these days too Gareth its absurd. you know I heard a lady on a bus talkin gabout how she was "gonna pop out anutha one so's she kin get more cash from the govn'nt.. " I was like woooow.. kids mean NOTHING to most people these days.
[21:17] <Warlok2> I still think they should do public hangings in town square.
[21:18] <feylin> ack.
[21:18] <LadyGlory> lol Warlok2
[21:18] <Telka> girls go out get laid.. use no protection or ANYTHING pop out a kid.. and just say . oh well.. someone will take care fo it.. and hand it over to mom/aunt/granny/whoever
[21:18] <Dominux> i agree with you warlock
[21:18] <feylin> lol
[21:18] <LadyGlory> hangem high
[21:18] <Telka> yeah might remind people that the law works, eh Warlok?
[21:18] <Warlok2> that would make a whole lot of people think twice before shooting others
[21:18] <captainamerica> I'd go for the shooting Warlock. Honestly like I said, not a fan of captial punishment, but if you are going to do it then just do it.
[21:19] <Gareth_H> I can only effect My circle of influence.....but if I can manage to live well..and if I can manage to be trusted..I can increase My circle of influence
[21:19] <feylin> i disagree, Master Warlok, i think they would only take the opportunity to sell t-shirts.
[21:19] <captainamerica> quick, painless, final
[21:19] <feylin> the people that cared one way or the other would stay home.
[21:19] <Dominux> no but it might remind people that where there s no law applied, some people still have integrity to defend what s right
[21:19] <Warlok2> it sure would save states alot of money on prisons
[21:19] <captainamerica> *nod*
[21:19] <captainamerica> so would lifers who served life
[21:20] <feylin> i believe that as tangled as the system is, if it saves that one innocent man/woman, then we need to accept the cost.
[21:20] <captainamerica> you got a life sentence...*shrug* sorry, you will rot in this hell hole.
[21:20] <Dominux> that s what we should have done: open the prisons and send them all to Iraq with a gun in the hand tell them "find your way home". whoever will be able to return, he ll be free again.
[21:20] <captainamerica> lol
[21:20] <Telka> lol heck yeah Dominux
[21:20] <Warlok2> you get convicted of capitol murder take em right out after trial and hang'em
[21:20] <captainamerica> they'd join the bad guys till they got sent here.
[21:21] <Dominux> who cares
[21:21] <Dominux> it would be in Iraq not in our country
[21:21] <feylin> so, we should send criminals to another country so they might have free reign to commit criminal activities on the natives?
[21:21] <captainamerica> again...only till the bad guys send them here.
[21:21] <captainamerica> lol
[21:21] <Dominux> what question s that??? now that we send... GI s and ethical guys they dont commit crimes???
[21:21] <Gareth_H> expediency...and the saving of Money..does not make right
[21:22] <Dominux> i heard that our... good boys created a club named... abhu graib....
[21:22] <captainamerica> no, it doesnt, but I dont think that is the point.
[21:22] <captainamerica> so much as "what works best
[21:22] <LadyGlory> anyone get the email from Montebello High School in California
[21:22] <captainamerica> not so much expediant.
[21:22] <captainamerica> but long term good.
[21:22] <feylin> certainly, it happens..but its sending what is known to harm.
[21:22] <captainamerica> actually "expediant" is what we do now
[21:22] <captainamerica> prison is over crowded so lets no make them serve the time
[21:22] <LadyGlory> talk about disresect
[21:23] <LadyGlory> on the United States
[21:23] <Telka> well how is sending military folks to known harm any better or worse than sending convicts? I mean peopl are still dying after all?
[21:23] <Gareth_H> Well for a start Telka..not one person in the military today....didnt choose to be there
[21:23] <Dominux> the point is that we threw billions of dollars in one more war to be lost for another country that once we ll leave they ll hate us twice as they do now and if we could spend this money in OUR country by giving them to OUR people, each american would have like 200.000$ in his pocket easyyyyy. that s what i know
[21:23] <wenchW> foxy is listening, but is too tired to come in, so i offered to paste some posts for her...
[21:23] <captainamerica> actually sending military folks to known harm is sort of the point of the being military folks.
[21:23] <feylin> hopefully just the soldiers.
[21:23] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I have always thought the violent gangbanger should be sent over, beats prison
[21:23] <captainamerica> Hence we dont send the Peace Corps
[21:24] <captainamerica> lo
[21:24] <captainamerica> lol
[21:24] <Gareth_H> Secondly.....Military folks are trained professionals....its not something just anyone can do....
[21:24] <wenchW> foxy: the problem today is the parents aae either cuddling the child to much an d stoping thier growth or pumping pills in them because ther behavor is out of control, if they only realizes the onely one they are hurting is the child
[21:24] <feylin> not if you are sending criminals, though? is it so easy to willingly set upon a people rapists and murderers?
[21:24] <Dominux> you know what that means??? perhaps no mortgage for homes. which in return means a huge collapse for the banking system
[21:24] <feylin> then we are talking soldier vs. soldier....
[21:24] <Telka> ok so slight modification.. take volunteers from the prisons for a chance to shorten life terms.. they can make it home, they can be free *chuckles *
[21:24] <Gareth_H> thirdly....everyone in the US Military...is responsible to live according to the code of conduct
[21:24] <Dominux> why??? dont they commit crimes and rapes now the... good guys that we have there?
[21:24] <Dominux> dont you see the news???
[21:24] <Gareth_H> and that dear friends is a high ethical standard
[21:25] <Dominux> what happened a year ago in Abu Graib prison???
[21:25] <Gareth_H> One I swore an oath to maintain
[21:25] <LadyGlory> If you would like to have a look send me a message Ill be happy to forward you the email I got
[21:25] <captainamerica> good question Dominux
[21:25] <Gareth_H> That some fall short of the ideal..does not mean that the ideal is any less valuable
[21:25] <wenchW> foxy: have fixed so many screwed ups the parents have done its scary and the scary thing is its not getting better but worse
[21:25] <feylin> i certainly do not expect it to be the majority..i hold them in higher regard...is that being naive about our military?
[21:25] <captainamerica> *shrug* I dont think so fey
[21:25] <Dominux> it s the truth unfortunately captain
[21:25] <captainamerica> I think you missed where I was going Dominux
[21:25] <Gareth_H> no feylin...I took My oath very seriously
[21:25] <Dominux> perhaps
[21:26] <captainamerica> *fey* they are held to a higher standard. As they should be.
[21:26] <Gareth_H> and I did My best to live according to that oath..every single day
[21:26] <captainamerica> Also why it is a volunteer force now
[21:26] <wenchW> foxy: i just recently head that daycares arent allowed to uses time out any more it is not acceptable and now you cant say dont to a child it is too harsh lol
[21:26] <feylin> i expect it as well. i know some criminals slip through..i understand that.
[21:27] <captainamerica> the whole "prisoners choosing to serve in lieu of time" didnt work well
[21:27] <Gareth_H> there are ...in any group of people....a certain percentage...who have no honor...this does not make honor less valuable
[21:27] <feylin> they have nothing to lose and no inspriation to serve.
[21:27] <captainamerica> exactly as Gareth said.
[21:27] <LadyGlory> thank you Shadow`Knight
[21:27] <captainamerica> every group has its 10%
[21:27] <wenchW> foxy: well in my care there is time out and some tough rules you dont like them wrong day care
[21:27] <Gareth_H> to take those who have demonstrated they have no honor....and expect them to behave honorably..is a bit like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse
[21:28] <captainamerica> *nods to wench* or care for your own kids instead of sending them to wench
[21:28] <wenchW> that was foxy's post, Master...but i agree
[21:28] <captainamerica> ah lol
[21:28] <captainamerica> thought it was suspect *peers *
[21:28] <captainamerica> *grins *
[21:29] <wenchW> foxy: so i ask in coddling the child when do they learn responsiblity or that there are rules in life
[21:29] <captainamerica> here kid grab the stove top.
[21:29] <Gareth_H> they do not fox...what they learn is that the only thing that matters...is what they can get...and not how they get it
[21:29] <captainamerica> *wince* yeah...s*it hurts don't it?
[21:29] * feylin laughs
[21:29] <captainamerica> you wanna do it again? Didnt think so...good boy
[21:29] <wenchW> foxy: my job is tough but i do it for the kids not the parents i am the last chance they have before school
[21:29] * feylin did the bobbypin electrical outlet trick.
[21:30] <captainamerica> I did a screwdriver in a socket as a kid
[21:30] <Gareth_H> I did all of that and more
[21:30] <captainamerica> I actually knew better....just wasnt thinking. Trying to fix the socket
[21:30] <Warlok2> I used to love holding the spark plug when my dad started the lawnmower
[21:30] <Gareth_H> best was getting in the back of a television set ..messing with a transformer and becoming intimate with a near by wall
[21:31] <captainamerica> rubber handle though, so a big spark..a burn on the driver...and new undies for me and all was well
[21:31] <feylin> lol
[21:31] <Warlok2> lol
[21:31] * Malus laughs @Warlok
[21:31] <captainamerica> in next episod of "Masters at Play"
[21:31] <Malus> enjpyed it lol
[21:31] <feylin> hahah!
[21:31] <Malus> enjoyed
[21:31] <captainamerica> Captain America demonstrates "Electrical Play gone wrong"
[21:32] <wenchW> lol
[21:32] <captainamerica> pzzzzzztt *sniff sniff* mmmm I love the smell of ozone in the morning....
[21:32] <captainamerica> smells like....insurance claim
[21:32] <feylin> ha!
[21:32] <captainamerica> or these days...suing GE
[21:32] <feylin> because there wasn't a warning?
[21:32] <feylin> "please do not eat the shampoo"
[21:32] <wenchW> lol...come to think of it, why isnt there a silly warning on every outlet?
[21:33] <captainamerica> "do not let kids shove screwdirver in outlet...the little bastard WILL DIE"
[21:33] <feylin> lol! more truth in advertising.
[21:33] <captainamerica> *thinks of Bernie Mac doing his standup routine on day care*
[21:33] <wenchW> "warning, wearing of a superman costume cape will not enable wearer to fly"
[21:33] <captainamerica> Mr Mac...why's my baby have a lump on his head.
[21:34] <captainamerica> Um..cause I smacked that lil sommamabitch in the head w a claw hammer
[21:34] <captainamerica> *gasp* Oh no! My baby is too you to be punnished.
[21:34] <wenchW> foxy: i had a child age five 140 pounds not house train lol but i tell you i draw the line at that only one accident and mom was staying home doing what she should of doing not passing the buck to day care
[21:34] <Dominux> it s not a lump... here in the States we call it "extra brain" in order not to send our children to the therapist since childhood...
[21:34] <captainamerica> yeah...well if he's man enough to talk back to me he's man enough to get knocked the F*ck out too
[21:35] <captainamerica> funny thing is apparently Bernie Mac doesn't really hit his kids.
[21:35] <captainamerica> Great stand up routines though
[21:35] <feylin> i think it can be done without hitting...just takes more effort and imagination.
[21:36] <captainamerica> I dont like the idea of hitting a child, but neither do I rule it out.
[21:36] <captainamerica> I think most of us turned out half way useful to society
[21:36] <captainamerica> and likely got a wack on the ass or two along the way
[21:37] <wenchW> foxy: a child needs rules and consistency and some one who takes the time to hear them, childern do have important things to say and they need to be heard
[21:37] <LadyGlory> I have spanked my daughter a total of maybe 5 times and shes 20 but you know If I tell her I still can and her attude is breaking boundries she woneders even still If Moms gonna kick my hinny
[21:38] <captainamerica> lol
[21:38] <LadyGlory> lol I will too
[21:38] <feylin> my niece stole some money from her apron (was helping her mom work at a fair). She wanted a lizard and got a lizard. my sister was not there that night but she manage to get the story and made my niece show up the next day wearing an ace bandage around her hand and wrist...she explained that in some countries stealing would result in a loss of a hand and if anyone asked my niece why she was wearing a bandage she had to tell them the truth.
[21:38] <captainamerica> Bill Cosby "boy...I brought you into this world...I will take you out"
[21:38] <feylin> she'll probably need therapy for that at some point in the future.
[21:38] * feylin grins.
[21:38] <wenchW> i learned way more from the examples of how my parents lived, though, then them raising a hand to me
[21:38] <captainamerica> give her meds
[21:39] <captainamerica> she stole because seh did not have meds
[21:39] <feylin> ha!
[21:39] <feylin> the thing is..i was there...and i give her anything she wants because i'm the aunt and i can.
[21:40] <feylin> many years have past and today i maybe wish she did have meds...she's engaged to a canadian.
[21:41] <captainamerica> Anyone see the Tom Beringer version of "The Substitute" ?
[21:41] <feylin> past = passed.
[21:41] <wenchW> foxy: its not the teachers job to teach the ethics or mine its the parents its starts from the time of birth but parents pass the buck
[21:42] * Jadga looks at foxy--rut roh I got to talk about kids--I know nothing on the subject cept they cry poop and eat and ya got to send em to college
[21:42] <wenchW> TONIGHTS TOPIC: Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[21:43] <Warlok2> greetings atiya
[21:43] <captainamerica> and my radio show is done...*switches to GTR*
[21:43] <Malus> greetings atiya
[21:43] <Gareth_H> greetings atiya
[21:44] <Jadga> ya mean out president playing hid the cigar in a twat of a young girl is not ethical?
[21:45] <Jadga> oops forgot the I did not do it part
[21:45] <captainamerica> *waves to Filkus*
[21:46] <Jadga> well ya dont want to get this old fart cranked up on ethics or lack of em
[21:47] <Jadga> it could go on till I fall over
[21:47] <FilkusNM> Thanks for the greetings, all.
[21:47] * Jadga chuckles
[21:47] <CaptainAmerica> sorry Jadga...used to the same old crowd all the time
[21:47] <CaptainAmerica> sorry as well to you atiya
[21:47] <Jadga> is ok she needs to check
[21:47] <Jadga> keeps her on her toes
[21:47] <LadyGlory> ethics seems to be the boundries of the kids. and thats the truth. Our kids are not online in gor at least not yet and when that do I hope they have learned to respect people and not look like and ass that so many do Gor online and off which ever you feel this aspect of life fits in your life. Show that you have the ethics of a good person cause this tells us you have good code of honor... I do hope this makes sense to all of you
[21:48] <Jadga> well Captian I think as most do--there are no ethics
[21:48] <Jadga> all goes nowdays--long as I win
[21:49] <CaptainAmerica> this is what you believe?
[21:49] <Jadga> the cost or method is not of importance
[21:49] <CaptainAmerica> or you are just stating it is the general belief?
[21:49] <Jadga> I think that
[21:49] <Jadga> I have no idea what others think
[21:49] <CaptainAmerica> *nods*
[21:49] <Jadga> cept ati since can read her mind
[21:49] <CaptainAmerica> but you claim that this is what most others think
[21:50] <CaptainAmerica> so you must have some idea *smirks* or think so anyway
[21:50] <CaptainAmerica> heh
[21:50] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I was good at jumpin off roofs
[21:50] <Jadga> well most I talk to agree with me
[21:50] <Sa`ng-Fori^> fell 60 plus feet out of and through an australian pine when I was a kid
[21:50] <FilkusNM> Topic?
[21:50] <CaptainAmerica> but yeah. *nods* I'd have to disagree as I guess everyone now knows.
[21:50] <wenchW> [23:41] <wenchW> TONIGHTS TOPIC: Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[21:50] <LadyGlory> its a man thing
[21:51] <CaptainAmerica> all though Jadga's comment is a perfect illustration to my opening comments
[21:51] <Jadga> ya think all the people ya inteeract with give ya their word on something you can take it to the bank?
[21:51] <CaptainAmerica> about the existance of ethical and absolute truth despite one's "disbelief" in such a thing
[21:51] <CaptainAmerica> no not at all Jadga. I'm fairly jaded that way.
[21:52] <Jadga> ok i am confused
[21:52] <CaptainAmerica> however it just makes them unethical for doing such
[21:52] <CaptainAmerica> or makes their actions unethical ones at least.
[21:52] <Gareth_H> well I cant speek for no One besides Myself...but should I give My word...you may be assured that You can take it to the bank
[21:52] <Malkcontent> no Jagda, I don't believe that at all; but I think that everyone shows something, and it's up to you to make up your own mind
[21:53] <Jadga> aye I can learn something from a total idot--if nothing else how NOT to do something
[21:53] * chya offers Bright GreetinGs to all
[21:53] <Malkcontent> lol, true
[21:53] <Jadga> but that dont mean they have ethics--since I equate ethis with two other words
[21:54] <wenchW> [23:41] <wenchW> TONIGHTS TOPIC: Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[21:54] <FilkusNM> part of the 30yr hiatus is cause there is a deep divide in the country over a guiding etos.
[21:54] <Warlok2> greetings chya
[21:54] <Jadga> honesty and honor
[21:54] <CaptainAmerica> anyway I think we need ethics to keep society productive
[21:55] <CaptainAmerica> and that it is the responsibility of all to learn and teach ethical behavior and decision making
[21:55] <Jadga> I would like to think the used car salesman is telling me the truth--and the car has not been at the bottom of lake erie--but I doubt he is
[21:55] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[21:55] <chya> greetings slave
[21:55] <chya> uggg
[21:55] <CaptainAmerica> it hasn't Jadga...
[21:55] <CaptainAmerica> it was in New Orleans
[21:55] <Jadga> ethics or responsibility for your actions? or both?
[21:56] <CaptainAmerica> well the topic is ethics
[21:56] <CaptainAmerica> so I am going with ethics
[21:56] <Jadga> lol
[21:56] <Jadga> prolly
[21:56] <CaptainAmerica> though responsibility of action is part of ethical behavior
[21:56] <feylin> Greetings, chya.
[21:56] <Jadga> I agree on that
[21:56] <Gareth_H> taking responsibility for Ones actions is an ethical behavior
[21:57] <Jadga> example was a tv program I saw--2 teenagers wanted to go to austrialia--did not want to work and earn the money--so they killed a cople to steal their atm card
[21:57] <Jadga> somehow that kinda says it all to me
[21:58] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[21:58] <feylin> but do you paint all teenagers with the same brush then, Master Jadga?
[21:58] <chya> ones actions also reflect on the teachings of ones Owner
[21:58] <Jadga> no I dont
[21:58] <wenchW> its not their fault, Master...they learned to kill in a video game....just kidding!
[21:58] <feylin> ack, wench! which game?
[21:58] * feylin grins
[21:59] <Jadga> I seldom Judge a person --least till they open their mouth
[21:59] <Malus> lol
[21:59] * Jadga grins
[21:59] <CaptainAmerica> lol
[21:59] <LadyGlory> Giving your words means nothing unless its been proven over and over that your word is golden. Lets face it were in a society that trust is erned not given automaticly
[21:59] <FilkusNM> The problem with both parents working came from us bevoming a super consumerist society...where we HAD to have all kinds of STUFF.
[21:59] <Jadga> w2ell I am gonna design a video game
[21:59] <Jadga> it will be called Gor
[22:00] <Jadga> from an urts vantage point
[22:00] * Jadga chuckles
[22:00] <feylin> ha!
[22:00] * wenchW giggles
[22:00] <LadyGlory> If your the new guy on the block lol
[22:00] <CaptainAmerica> now that we are winding down...I'm off folks.
[22:00] <Jadga> prolly be so rich I will give up the lotto!
[22:02] <Jadga> so someone give me what ethics is?
[22:03] <FilkusNM> Ehithics is the set of standards that is made from your core Ethos.
[22:03] <LadyGlory> we all have our own definetion Jadga
[22:03] <LadyGlory> but thats just my opion
[22:04] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Ethics; What does it Matter? Why do we need ethics? Who should teach ethics? Is it needed in Gor? What about other aspects of life? It has been said that there has been a 30 year hiatus basically where ethics have not been taught to kids leading to the present situations we see in the world.
[22:04] <Jadga> inked if ya saw my office ya would not ask that question
[22:04] <Jadga> other than that I am near awesome
[22:04] * Jadga grins
[22:05] <Iskander> Now Playing: MstrStAdndrewsComm
[22:05] <Malus> near me?
[22:05] <Malus> lol
[22:05] <wenchW> foxy: how true i send more time with the childern then the parents so i feel my job is to teach then not just change they daipers and feed them
[22:05] <wenchW> wench: i think your job SHOULD be to reinforce what they already learned at home...but unfortunately, that aint happening
[22:05] <wenchW> foxy: nope its not but if i didnt do it who sufferes not me or the parent its all the kids
[22:05] <wenchW> wench: how true...they wind up adults who never grow up, and blame the world..
[22:07] <Jadga> well being the shy person that I am--and some have heard this tale but I will bore them with it again since I am old and can do that--
[22:07] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> I think a lot of folks are in a position with a moral obligation to influence a moral change
[22:08] <Jadga> in a grocery store I heard a boy about 9 or so tell his mother --and I quote--
[22:08] <inkslavechick> *waits to hear Master Jadgas tale
[22:08] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Question then becomes whether or not they are willing to step up to the plate
[22:08] <Jadga> Bitch you better buy that for me
[22:08] <Malus> lol
[22:08] <Malus> thats bad
[22:08] <Malkcontent> aye
[22:08] <Jadga> now my arm shot out and grabbed the lil twerp by the shirt and yanked him up to my face
[22:08] <Malkcontent> did she buy it?
[22:08] <wenchW> ack!...i would have a hard time not slugging the brat
[22:09] <LadyGlory> lol I would tell that child bastard you get nothing now
[22:09] <FilkusNM> Most of our powerful leaders, buiness and political demonstrate a complete lack of etical behaviors themselves.
[22:09] <Jadga> told him if I ever heard that comming out of his mouth it would be followed by a scream
[22:09] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Funny...my kids would be wondering what kind of drugs the kid was on
[22:09] <Sa`ng-Fori^> saw something similiar over christmas
[22:09] <inkslavechick> my boyz would never (I guarentee) do anything like that
[22:09] <FilkusNM> ..and stay on top of the heap.
[22:09] <Jadga> tols him to apoligize to his mother
[22:09] <inkslavechick> they know better
[22:09] <Jadga> and his eyes popped wide--but he did
[22:09] <Jadga> set him down and walked off
[22:09] <LadyGlory> just kidding I would feel so bad if my child spoke to me that way I would never show my face again
[22:10] <Jadga> figured for sure I would get arrested for something
[22:10] <Jadga> but about 2 months later saw his mother and she said ---
[22:10] <Jadga> ya the fella that yanked a kid up in a store?
[22:10] <LadyGlory> thats hurtful and makes you wonder why that child talkes like that in the first place
[22:10] <inkslavechick> I don't swear and my boys don't either
[22:10] <Jadga> said yep that was me
[22:10] <Jadga> and she hugged me
[22:11] <Jadga> said the boy was saying yes and no and please and thank you
[22:11] <inkslavechick> awwww what a nice tale Master Jadga
[22:11] <Jadga> and if he messed up she threatened to call the old bearded man--and he was good
[22:11] <inkslavechick> lol
[22:11] <Jadga> sooo--even us old farts can have an impact it seems
[22:11] * Jadga chuckles
[22:11] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Soemtimes it is because no Man has taken an interest in the childs actions that they act as they do
[22:12] <Jadga> aye
[22:12] <inkslavechick> I think there are too many lazy parents now adays
[22:13] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Oh there is definitely that
[22:13] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> I think it also gets worse as the kids get older
[22:13] <Jadga> but my question in my tale telling is this--did I teach ethics to the kid or just scare the crap outa him?
[22:13] <inkslavechick> I also feel that a woman should stay home with her children until they are at least in school other wise a baby sitter ends up raising them for the most part
[22:14] <Malkcontent> Jagda, My answer would be both
[22:14] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> a bit of both I think
[22:14] <Malkcontent> fear can be a powerful tool in teaching
[22:14] <Jadga> well it can at least get ones attention
[22:15] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Sometimes it is the attention getting that is needed
[22:15] <inkslavechick> and your beliefs may be different of the baby sitter and the child confused because it's one thing at the sitters and another at the house
[22:15] <wenchW> think it was fear to start with, then ethics when he learned the positive reinforcement when he started changing
[22:15] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> That is why in part many DI's get in a recruits face...least they used to
[22:15] <Jadga> ya may be right wench
[22:15] <Jadga> hope ya are anyway
[22:16] <Jadga> oh ya cant do that now shadow--ya are humulating the poor lil sods
[22:16] <Jadga> pfft
[22:16] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> lol
[22:16] * Jadga rolls his eyes
[22:16] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> When I was in more than one got their butts kicked by the DI
[22:16] <inkslavechick> may I ask a question?
[22:16] <Jadga> hell I spent the first 4 weeks wiping off DI's spit
[22:16] * Jadga chuckles
[22:16] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Full on knock down
[22:16] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> sure inky
[22:17] <FilkusNM> Jagda..it uzsed to be considered a good sign of discipline to order soldires to injure themselves or march off a cliff in demonstration...should we continue to do that too?
[22:17] <Jadga> well not unless ya have extra men to loose
[22:17] <FilkusNM> Please inkedslave
[22:17] <Jadga> no di would do that
[22:18] <inkslavechick> Master Shadow Knight what does the TSH mean at the end of your name?
[22:18] <FilkusNM> You don;t have to ask permissoin here.
[22:18] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Means I am the talk show host at the moment
[22:18] <inkslavechick> thank you
[22:18] <inkslavechick> I always ask permission
[22:18] <inkslavechick> once you're taught something like that it kind of sticks with you like manners and such
[22:19] <inkslavechick> thank you Master Shadow
[22:20] <Jadga> something my grand ma said--wise woman she was--even if she did dress as a gisha girl for grandpa--manners show you have both self respect and respect for others
[22:20] <Jadga> not to mention keeps ya from getting an ass whipping if ya dont have em
[22:20] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Manners tends to be the purview of the strong I think
[22:21] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> All too many use bullying and bad manners as a substitute for strength that they don't have
[22:22] <Warlok2> seen that before SK
[22:23] <Sa`ng-Fori^> can ethics be called character?
[22:24] <FilkusNM> No.
[22:24] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> I think ethics can be a compnent of character
[22:24] <FilkusNM> Character is generated from a set of ethics
[22:24] <Jadga> part of character
[22:24] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> But being character itself? I don't think so
[22:25] <Warlok2> I don't know that they can be called character Sa`ng but I think thta how your ethics are shape your character
[22:25] <Jadga> but ya can be a charatcer--and still have ehtics
[22:25] * Jadga grins
[22:25] <Sa`ng-Fori^> can it be a driving force behind ones developement of their character?
[22:25] <Warlok2> yes it can for both good and bad
[22:25] <Malkcontent> absolutely
[22:25] <FilkusNM> Yes.
[22:26] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Now that I would agree with
[22:26] <FilkusNM> People can have an ethos like Bosk of Port Kar..."All there is is Gold and Steel".
[22:26] <Sa`ng-Fori^> this is true FilkusNM
[22:27] <Sa`ng-Fori^> so what we see in the grown up Generation X character, is a direct reaction of the lack of learning proper ethics as children
[22:33] <inkslavechick> kat may I ask you a question?
[22:33] <kat{F}> sure
[22:34] <inkslavechick> what's the F behind your name for?
[22:34] <Jadga> wb mine
[22:34] <kat{F}> it is my Master's inital, Master Filkus, i proudly wear his collar
[22:34] <atiyaJ> thank You my Master
[22:35] <inkslavechick> I thought it might be something like that but I figured I ask just to be sure
[22:35] <Warlok2> (Sa`ng-Fori^): so what we see in the grown up Generation X character, is a direct reaction of the lack of learning proper ethics as children? Hmmm I don't know Sa`ng most kids are taught right from wrong and can make that choice for themselves as adults.
[22:35] <kat{F}> always happy to answer any question ink
[22:35] <Sa`ng-Fori^> but are they, I have seen many that haven't
[22:35] <inkslavechick> Master Warlock may I comment on the topic?
[22:35] <Sa`ng-Fori^> go for it ink
[22:35] <Warlok2> sure inked
[22:37] <inkslavechick> I have friends that think it's funny when there children use profanity
[22:37] * FilkusNM thinks of Taladega Nights movie...
[22:37] <Sa`ng-Fori^> they won't later
[22:37] <inkslavechick> who don't care whether or not there children say please or thank you
[22:37] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I have such a hard time with rude children
[22:37] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I mean, even My dog has manners
[22:37] <inkslavechick> I know that there are a lot of parents out there like that not all but they are out there
[22:38] <inkslavechick> and then you get the lazy parents that don't care what the heck there children do
[22:39] <inkslavechick> so it is in my opionion that now a days children won't learn proper ethics when they are older kind of like teaching an old dog new tricks
[22:39] * kat{F} *grins and giggles*
[22:39] <inkslavechick> but that's just me
[22:40] <inkslavechick> did that make sense or did I ramble
[22:40] * Jadga chuckles
[22:40] <Warlok2> well Sa`ng in every generation there are screwups thats bound to happen it's a part of life. but people in general know when they reach adulthood whats right and whats wrongs and its up to them to make the choice on what to do. Do I think teaching ethics to our young makes a differance on that choice for them as adults very much so. but for the most part adults know right from wrong they just choose to act stupid.
[22:40] * chya blushes deep red
[22:40] <Jadga> no it made sense girl
[22:41] <inkslavechick> thanks Master Jadga
[22:44] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I sometimes wonder Warlok
[22:44] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I see some stupid stuff
[22:46] <Sa`ng-Fori^> now that sounds like a plan
[22:46] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> since when do slaves wear clothes?
[22:47] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> lol
[22:47] <inkslavechick> I thought you had to have a Master to not wear clothes?
[22:47] <Jadga> ya should make em wear socks--cold feet just plain suck!
[22:47] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> lol
[22:47] <Warlok2> lol
[22:47] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Actually slaves need a Master to get clothes
[22:47] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> ;)
[22:48] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> But then we usually want them naked then anyway
[22:48] * Sa`ng-Fori^ wonders how deep in multi task hell He can get
[22:48] <inkslavechick> thanks for the new information Master Shadow
[22:48] <kat{F}> really? i'm pretty much always naked at Master's house
[22:48] <FilkusNM> Yes, naked..in my house anyway.
[22:48] <Sa`ng-Fori^> that's it Shadow`Knight, naked slaves are best
[22:48] <inkslavechick> would love to be naked all the time
[22:48] <Warlok2> then take it off inked
[22:48] <inkslavechick> wonders what the neighbors would think of me when I mow my lawn????
[22:49] <Jadga> hell at my house cant see a neighbor--whis is prolly a good thing
[22:49] <kat{F}> Master tried to get me to go outside to get my book to read, i chose to get his copy of the shelf :)
[22:49] <inkslavechick> Master Warlok and who is going to keep me warm?
[22:49] <Jadga> but I dont mow grass
[22:49] <Sa`ng-Fori^> the guys would be pleased, the wives.... well you know how they can be
[22:49] <FilkusNM> hahahaha
[22:49] <FilkusNM> Lucky you, eh?
[22:49] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> lol
[22:49] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> jealous?
[22:50] <Sa`ng-Fori^> that is one word for it
[22:50] <kat{F}> girl was smart enough to buy Master a 2nd copy
[22:50] <Sa`ng-Fori^> bitchy is what I was thinking
[22:50] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> That is the funny thing about it...and in part I think one of the reasons behind some of the problems Free Women had with slaves in the books
[22:50] <Jadga> knew was advantage to licing in the weeds
[22:50] <Jadga> can be nakkie and dont have to mow grass
[22:50] <Jadga> is a good world!
[22:51] <Jadga> living
[22:51] <Sa`ng-Fori^> that is true Shadow`Knight
[22:51] <inkslavechick> if I could I'd live in the middle of 50 acres of land
[22:51] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> lol
[22:51] <inkslavechick> however I am stuck in town
[22:51] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> I'd live in the middle of a 36,000 acre ranch
[22:51] <inkslavechick> :(
[22:51] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> plenty of privacy that way
[22:51] <Jadga> well dont have quiet that much but ----
[22:52] <inkslavechick> of course Master Shadow the more acreage the better
[22:52] <FilkusNM> I live around college student...noise is ignored.
[22:52] <Jadga> is all woods and drivway is about 1/2 long
[22:52] <inkslavechick> with lots of woods
[22:52] <kat{F}> by everybody but me
[22:52] <inkslavechick> I used to live on 6 acres in MD with a long driveway like that
[22:52] <FilkusNM> :p
[22:52] <inkslavechick> it was great
[22:52] <Jadga> yep
[22:53] <Jadga> cant hear see or smell a neighbor
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[22:53] * Iskander sets mode: +v atiyaJ
[22:53] <inkslavechick> well it's time to go for me
[22:53] * Jadga pokes ati thinking she died
[22:53] <inkslavechick> again
[22:53] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> I always prefer country when possible
[22:54] <Sa`ng-Fori^> take care ink
[22:54] <Sa`ng-Fori^> greetings atiya
[22:54] <inkslavechick> I would like to return of course if allowed
[22:54] <atiyaJ> i have no idea what is happening
[22:54] <FilkusNM> Be well, inkedslavechick
[22:54] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> take care inkslavechick and come back when you can
[22:54] <inkslavechick> I will be back that's a promise
[22:54] <inkslavechick> sleep well everyone
[22:55] <Jadga> be well inked
[22:55] * inkslavechick has quit IRC
[22:55] <Jadga> well ya alive again mine?
[22:55] * Jadga chuckles
[22:55] <atiyaJ> i think so Master
[22:55] <atiyaJ> for now anyway
[23:04] <FilkusNM> 16 min? How about descibing it.
[23:05] <Malkcontent> lol
[23:05] * FilkusNM grabs letters out of the air...
[23:05] <wenchW> lol
[23:05] <Warlok2> lol
[23:05] <FilkusNM> Hey, it wouldn;t be me if I didn;t do it once a night.
[23:06] <kat{F}> ?
[23:06] * wenchW writes a note reminding myself not to have hot cyber sex with Master Filkus when He's in here
[23:06] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> lol
[23:06] <FilkusNM> Smart girl.
[23:06] <Warlok2> lol
[23:06] <FilkusNM> YIM girl...YIM
[23:06] <kat{F}> lol
[23:06] <Koa> hahah
[23:07] <FilkusNM> :p~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (To the whole room)
[23:08] * wenchW giggles
[23:09] <FilkusNM> Sure...send it in yahoo.
[23:10] * Malkcontent wonders what all these letters are doing in the air
[23:10] <chya> just learning our P's and Q's
[23:11] * chya snuggles closer to kat
[23:13] <Sa`ng-Fori^> play the blues
[23:18] <kat{F}> NM just made SNL, twice
[23:18] <Malkcontent> oh?
[23:18] <Malkcontent> what'd we do this time?
[23:18] <kat{F}> the cock fighting bill and the firing of US attorneys
[23:18] <Malkcontent> ah
[23:18] <Malkcontent> that would do it
[23:19] <Malkcontent> My solution to the cock fighting
[23:19] <Malkcontent> dress two guys as chickens, and let them duke it out
[23:19] <kat{F}> lol
[23:19] <FilkusNM> That's called our presidential debate.
[23:19] <FilkusNM> s
[23:19] <Malkcontent> lol
[23:19] <Koa> or you can dress them into large cock costums and let them fight.
[23:20] <Malkcontent> lol
[23:20] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Actually that is my solution to major wars...but the leaders of the country in a ring and hand them swords and a shield..the one who comes out wins
[23:20] <Malkcontent> a pecker decker, eh?
[23:20] <Malkcontent> aye, that would be a solution SK
[23:20] <FilkusNM> Of course.
[23:21] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> I mean for me it is fun...but now some of those clowns would jsut run for the hills at the thought
[23:22] <Malkcontent> hey, I agree with George Carlin 'bout doing executions during half time at sporting events
[23:22] <Sa`ng-Fori^> now that is a plan, charge top price tickets for it
[23:22] <Sa`ng-Fori^> make some of the money back
[23:22] <FilkusNM> They did that @ Iraqi soccer games, didn't they?
[23:22] <Malkcontent> get sponsors
[23:22] <Malkcontent> as long as you're killing ppl, I'm sure DOW chemicals and Marlboro would be proud to participate
[23:23] <Malkcontent> anyone ever wonder why they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?
[23:23] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> bury them to the neck and use the heads to kick penalty goals?
[23:23] <FilkusNM> In case they goof.
[23:24] <FilkusNM> Sounds like scenes from Caligula now....
[23:24] <Malkcontent> lol
[23:27] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Sometiems things like that are needed to make folks wake up to the fact that thier actions ahve consequences
[23:28] <Sa`ng-Fori^> I was telling kardelan tonight
[23:28] <Sa`ng-Fori^> it is a shame thing went the way they did in persia a bunch of hundreds of years ago, before mohamad
[23:29] <Sa`ng-Fori^> they were the ones who brought us alegebra, 0 triginometry
[23:31] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> Among other things
[23:31] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> In many cases medicine came from there as well
[23:32] <Sa`ng-Fori^> yep
[23:33] <Sa`ng-Fori^> and a lot of other stuff as well
[23:33] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> funny how folks don't realize how much truely came from otehr places besides europe
[23:34] <Sa`ng-Fori^> yeah
[23:35] <Sa`ng-Fori^> they need to watch history international more often
[23:35] <Malkcontent> hey, most people aren't aware of our own history
[23:35] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> That and get theri eurocentric notions put away
[23:35] <FilkusNM> They need to be tauight history in school besides the history of "How we kick ass".
[23:35] <Malkcontent> muchless that there's a whole world out there
[23:36] <Warlok2> there's a whole world out there?
[23:36] <Shadow`Knight-TSH> I never could understand the folks who can't be bothered ot get over the hill and around the bend to see what else is out there
[23:36] <Sa`ng-Fori^> yeah, and it is even round Warlock